I have Flying Start areas in my constituency, areas such as Churchill Park, Graig-y-Rhacca, Lansbury Park, the Park estate in Bargoed, Senghenydd and the Trecenydd estate, and I've seen those benefits—what the Chamber might have described today as 'anecdotally'. I've seen the benefits of Flying Start.

My only contribution to the debate over recommendation 6 would be that understanding an impact of a programme makes it easier in the long term to defend, and therefore having that understanding and building that understanding makes it easier for those who believe in the programme to defend it at a later date. I think at the back of my mind is Communities First, and some of the debate that happened over that. So I think it's important that the Minister's able to provide as much evidence as possible, whether that's longitudinal data or all-Wales feedback. I would like a bit more discussion, I think, in the Minister's response, on recommendation 6, and I think Members around this Chamber have reflected that today.

Also, in response to recommendation 7, the Minister's reaffirmed the Welsh Government's commitment to an update to the committee in October with reservations, but I think that again demonstrates the committee's desire to continually pursue this quest for information about this programme, and those of us who believe in it strongly feel that it will actively protect the programme.

Flying Start outreach has a particularly important role to play as the Welsh Government rolls out its manifesto pledge of free childcare for three and four-year-olds for working parents across Wales. I note the children's commissioner called for the childcare offer to be extended to non-working parents, which, if you turn that on its head, would mean effectively extending Flying Start to working parents as well, and extending Flying Start universally, which would be, again, notwithstanding the information issue, a wonderful thing to do in my view, but it was a very specific manifesto pledge that was offered, and the funding constraints are far too severe to do this, and therefore I think the report is working within those constraints of outreach. If we had more money, we wouldn't do this, but the constraints of outreach mean that we have to do it this way.

What will be crucial is that we ensure that Flying Start is provided to all those who are eligible and all those who need support get it and don't miss out.