6. Statement by the Chair of the Finance Committee: Report on the Remuneration Board's Determination Underspend

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:01 pm on 20 June 2018.

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Photo of Mike Hedges Mike Hedges Labour 4:01, 20 June 2018

Can I first of all welcome the statement made by the Chair of the Finance Committee, and also the comments made by Nick Ramsay? It's a strange position that I could've actually made either of those statements—either the statement or the comments and questions from Nick Ramsay—without any problem at all, so I think there's a level of unanimity amongst those of us who are serving on the Finance Committee.

Can I just reiterate something I've said several times before? I think it's still worth saying: the National Assembly for Wales Commission cannot be immune to the austerity facing the rest of the public sector. Difficult though it may be, and difficult decisions may have to be made, it cannot be seen to be growing while large parts of the public sector—some parts that people think are very, very important—are losing money.

The budgeting process, with the Commission setting all Members' support at the maximum possible, with staff pay set at the top of each grade, will always produce savings. In the first year of each Assembly, it will produce substantial savings, because almost everybody who starts working here will start at the bottom of a grade of five points.

I also share the committee Chair's concerns about funding projects from underspends, not least because when projects are being funded by underspends they're not getting light shone on them by the Finance Committee of this Assembly, and then by the Assembly itself, over whether those projects are good or bad. I don't want to make any comments on projects that have been carried out in the past, but, really, it is important that we do have it being dealt with so that each and every one of us here is individually and collectively responsible. We might not like it, but we should all be taking any credit or blame.

I've only got one question, and it's something we agreed earlier in the discussions, but seems to have been rolled back by the Commission now. Does the committee Chair still believe that the Commission's budget should not increase by a larger percentage than the Welsh block grant, albeit the Welsh block grant as amended by taking in tax raising by the Welsh Assembly? So, that is, effectively, what the block grant would've been, which may mean that they have a reducing amount of money every year, because as we get more tax devolution that will come off, but that is, effectively, the amount of money that is available to the National Assembly for Wales to distribute to the Welsh Government and the other two bodies that we directly fund. Do you still believe—? I'll start the remark like this: do you still believe, like I do, that there has to be a very good reason for the Commission to have an increase that is better than that which is coming to the rest of the Welsh public sector?