Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:58 pm on 20 June 2018.
I thank Nick Ramsay for his comments. As he suggested, this may be the bubble debate to end all bubble debates, but I think it is actually quite important, because how we budget and spend our own money—because I talked in the statement about the Commission, the Commission is the Assembly, of course—so how we spend and budget our own money has to look and feel like how we expect other public bodies in Wales to behave. So, if we, the Assembly that passes the budget for the Government, and then for the directly funded bodies, including our own directly funded body, which is the Commission—. We should look and behave like the best practice in that example.
I think I'd like to pick out the word that really struck me from what Nick Ramsay said, which is 'clarity'. We do have transparency, because things are able to be followed through, but was there clarity there in the past? And, of course, when you have up to £1 million that's in an underspend and is then utilised in a particular way, then I don't think that is clear, and that is what was concerning the Finance Committee at the time.
Nick Ramsay asks me if I'm confident that this now enables us to go forward and prepare for our further responsibilities, and growing fully as a Parliament, and I would say to him 'yes'. I also would like to put on record thanks to the Commission for the way that they've responded to our report and have been in dialogue and negotiation with us. And of course, the fact that the other decisions, which are nothing to do with the Assembly itself, because we do not decide our allowances and our pay—that's done separately by the remuneration board—but nevertheless the decisions taken there have also added to the need to address this.
So, I think there is more clarity there now. I think that the Commission will present a budget that will be very clear about its priorities, about its future spending plans and about its investment plans. It's clear that any underspend within the remuneration board will be returned to the block grant, but, of course, that, in turn, has an implication for how the overall budget will look, which we won't be able to judge until we see it in the autumn. But, of course, the Finance Committee as a whole would expect the Commission to act like other public bodies in Wales in terms of the general funding and the finances that flow from the Welsh block grant.