6. Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv): Carillion and Capita

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:12 pm on 4 July 2018.

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Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 5:12, 4 July 2018

I began by beginning with the point that the Member made, and it echoed what Jenny Rathbone had said earlier, that Capita is an outsourcing company that has very significant responsibilities in many areas of UK Government responsibilities and it is not equipped to discharge those responsibilities. Where I disagree with Mark Isherwood is this: when public service organisations get things wrong—and of course they do—then those organisations are accountable for what they do and voters are able to change the way that those services are provided. They have a choice at the ballot box. Whoever was able to vote to get rid of Capita? That, surely, is the fundamental difference.