Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:13 pm on 4 July 2018.
I'm very grateful for you taking the intervention, but what happens when there's a failure in public services? We can't vote out the management of the Betsi Cadwaladr health board, for example. So, if you accept that that's a principle that you want to employ in relation to private businesses that engage with the public sector, what about public sector organisations that engage with governments too?