Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:34 pm on 25 September 2018.
Thank you very much to Dai for those comments. May I start by saying that I make no apology for putting a picture of Capel Tegid in Bala, where my dear late mother was a deacon for many years, on that particular page? Because the nonconformist heritage and our chapel heritage is crucially important, as Dai mentioned. That's why I don't want to talk too much about that today, because my meeting with Huw Tregelles Williams is to take place in Morriston soon, and I do hope that we can put forward a specific programme in relation to these activities with the forum, that we can find some resolution, certainly for those protected historic buildings, but also for the faith heritage as part of our understanding of our history in all parts of Wales.
I do want to say a few words on the issue of place names, because what I have ensured is that the commission for ancient and historic monuments have agreed to draw up and maintain a list of historic place names on our behalf as Welsh Ministers. For me, the royal commission has proved itself, since before the 1905 reformation, to be a body that can do very important work on the cultural environment and landscape of Wales. There is a full-time curator employed to improve that list, who can respond to queries and raise awareness of the importance of historic place names. Where attempts are made to change the names of fields and places in building new commercial housing estates, as has happened not too far away from this building, then the commission is available to remind developers that there are perfectly proper Welsh names for these historic sites.
Our statutory guidance directs local authorities and national parks and NRW to give full consideration to this list, and I am pleased to say that the curator of the list has been assisting local authorities in Pembrokeshire, Caerphilly and other areas to identify appropriate historic names. Through Cadw officials, there is collaboration to develop clear relations with local authorities and a realisation that place names are just as important to those places as are personal names to people. I don’t think people have quite understood that in the past.
Now, I don’t want to rehearse the context of the age of the lords and princes and the traditions of the princes of Wales, but one of the things that Dai may recall that I have emphasised over many years is that the principality of Wales was a polity. That is, it is a beginning of a nation state, as it was devised, it seems, by Owain Gwynedd, and a different lordship was devised in the Deheubarth, with links to Lord Rhys, of course, and safeguarding these sites, and this concept of medieval devolution, is central to our history as the people of Wales. Therefore, these castles, which are the military symbol of this conflict that existed between the two polities, if we describe what belonged to the barons or the Crown and the Marcher lords and what belonged to the Welsh lords and princes—. That conflict in terms of political power, in the way that it would have happened in medieval times, is a part of what defines us as a nation—and the existence of these castles not only in Wales but across the Marches. And I am very eager for us to look at the history of Wales and the Marches as one, as they have been over centuries, rather than seeing it in the terms that we in Wales are doing one thing and people the other side, as it were, are doing something else.
So, developing collaboration between the areas of outstanding natural beauty in Wales and the national parks of Wales with areas such as the Herefordshire uplands is very important to me in order to create corridors of historic understanding along the Welsh Marches. But, again, may I emphasise that the invitation that I extended to spokespeople of the other opposition party in this place is also open to you? And I do hope that we will be able to continue with a constructive discussion about the priorities that we have put in place already as a department that has been restored to the Welsh Government.