6. Debate on the Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee Annual report: 'The Welsh Government's progress on climate change mitigation'

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:35 pm on 26 September 2018.

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Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 4:35, 26 September 2018

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I very much welcome the committee's report, which recognises the importance of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and thank all Members under the chairmanship of Mike Hedges. I am able to accept all but one of the committee's recommendations. As Dai Lloyd pointed out, one of them was accepted in principle. But I'm very pleased to say that we're already making progress on most of them.

Earlier this month I attended a global climate action summit in San Francisco, which brought leaders and people together from around the world to address this international problem, and to take ambition to the next level. Through our targets, carbon budgets and policy we are setting out Wales's part of the solution. It was very obvious, the signs in relation to our weather while I was at the summit. Julie Morgan mentioned the very long, wet, cold winter we had this year, followed by the heatwave, and it showed the volatility of our weather. The Greek delegation were unable to come because of the flooding that they were experiencing in that country. Whilst we were in San Francisco, the east coast of America was being hit by storms that they haven't seen for many a decade, and talking to Canadian counterparts, they too had had very similar winters to us, but on a larger level over the past few years.

Regardless of what Neil Hamilton spouts, the scientific evidence is absolutely clear: climate change is happening, and it's likely that greenhouse gas emissions are the most dominant cause. The Environment (Wales) Act 2016 positions Wales as a low-carbon economy ready to adapt to the impacts of climate change. It sets out a clear decarbonisation pathway for Wales within the context of existing UK and international obligations. It includes an ambitious target to reduce emissions by at least 80 per cent by 2050 irrespective of Brexit and any other external influences. We are currently developing the supporting regulations as required under the environment Act.

Responding to the threat and reality of climate change, however, must not only be seen as an environmental imperative. It's an opportunity to reposition our economy, supporting more economic opportunities for people and businesses in Wales, supporting the delivery of better, more efficient and healthier housing and transport solutions. In July, Cabinet agreed to make decarbonisation a priority area in 'Prosperity for All', because we acknowledge its great potential contribution to long-term prosperity and well-being. Andrew R.T. Davies mentioned the fact that I established a decarbonisation ministerial task and finish group to provide the governance framework that we need to maximise collaborative working. I thought that was really important to show that we were working collaboratively across Government. You asked whether it will survive a Cabinet reshuffle. Well, the fact it was put in 'Prosperity for All'—collective responsibility—I think that does show that it is very robust.

Mike Hedges referred to this group as well. Clearly, I don’t have all the levers, and Welsh Government doesn't have all the levers. You referred to the UK Government holding some of those levers, but I think it's absolutely vital that we use all the levers that we do have. I also think it's very important that officials see that, as Ministers, we are very happy to work collaboratively across Government. So, I think the establishment of that ministerial task and finish group has enabled us to move in a much more rapid way than was happening before.

Cabinet considered all the evidence, including advice from our independent statutory advisers, the UK Committee on Climate Change. We've agreed our interim emissions reduction targets and our first two carbon budgets. Whilst I've heard reference to the fact that we have missed targets, I must say we have met our 3 per cent annual target consistently, year on year. Members will be asked to approve the figures in relation to our interim emissions reduction targets and our carbon budgets through regulations towards the end of this term. I've also launched a consultation to explore the actions we need to take right across Government if we are to meet our 2030 target, and my officials have hosted events to bring together stakeholders from different sectors and improve the collaboration and innovation we will need if we are to be successful. I notice recommendations 1 to 3, I think quite rightly, emphasise the importance of stakeholder engagement across Government working to achieve that success, and we've put that stakeholder engagement, review and independent scrutiny at the forefront of our work.

In the meantime, we're not standing still. We do continue to progress our policies to decarbonise homes, for instance. We've established an advisory group on the decarbonisation of homes in Wales to advise Ministers on a programme of action to retrofit all residential properties by 2050 to meet the requirements of the environment Act, and we'll have that report next year. I thought Julie Morgan spoke very eloquently about using building regulations to take this forward, and Andrew R.T. Davies also mentioned planning. As I say, we have to use every lever that we have, and I'm certainly happy to do that.

We continue to work together and make progress in aligning the carbon and financial budgeting cycles. We're tackling public sector decarbonisation, and we are investing in charging infrastructure for electric vehicles. We have to reduce emissions—[Interruption.] Nick.