Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:09 pm on 10 October 2018.
If that's the case, then there's a valid question as to why he dropped the court case. Given that was crowdfunded, I think we should be able to see the legal advice that he received in the court case. [Interruption.] I know that he was recorded in the media as saying that the court case was dropped because he secured this debate. I don't think that's true.
So, I'd like to move this on and talk about what I think the problem is, and why my constituents have expressed concerns to me. I've had letters, which I think have come, partly, through some of the hysteria that Neil McEvoy has generated. One letter says:
'Please do not support the dumping of nuclear waste. I believe there is a vote this week. Do not support the dumping of nuclear waste.'
This is not nuclear waste—this is moving mud from one part of the channel to the other.
To address Llyr Gruffydd's concerns: yes, there is an issue to be talked about—the jurisdiction and devolved powers—but that is not something that we can do anything about right now in this debate.
I think it is dangerous that we question, therefore, the views of experts. But what I would say is that there is clear evidence that members of the public have not been reassured, and this is a thread through what every Member who's spoken in this debate has said so far. There is clear evidence that those people, members of the public, who have represented their concerns to AMs have said that they are not convinced by what has been presented. And I think, in this case, Natural Resources Wales—yes, they have fallen far short, and I back the things that Jane Hutt has said. [Interruption.] No, because I don't think that the Government has the power—. Rhun ap Iorwerth is saying, 'Well, back the motion'. Well, the motion is not in the Government's gift, and that would actually move the Government into unlawful territory. That is not a precedent that we want to set in these circumstances. I disagree with Rhun. I would say that the Government's amendment does effect the reassurance that we need if it is followed through in the way that Jane Hutt has said—[Interruption.] I won't take another intervention—and I think that is key.
The Cabinet Secretary has a duty now, because I don't think the Government has done enough to reassure—the Cabinet Secretary has a duty now to provide that reassurance in her closing speech today. I've had conversations with her about this and I'm confident that she can do that, provided, then, that that information is presented to the public and done in a rigorous form, in which scientists are able to speak directly to members of the public. I will then be able to reassure those constituents who have contacted me.