Thank you, Llywydd. I was rather staggered to hear the health Secretary's response to Rhun ap Iorwerth's questions in today's session. Effectively, what the health Secretary did was to dismiss Professor McClelland's views as along the lines of not being able to see the wood for the trees or, perhaps, magnifying her own personal experience and universalising it unfairly to the health service in Wales.

Professor McClelland is one of our most distinguished health economics experts in the United Kingdom, but has also had a practical role in health service management as vice-chair of the Aneurin Bevan health board. She has been head of evidence for Macmillan Cancer Support and much else besides. I think she has drawn attention to a significant systemic problem in the health service in Wales, which she encapsulates in these few sentences. She says that:

'We've got a fundamental problem here with health boards, not in terms of geographical boundary, but in the autonomous way in which they act.... Health boards are neither strongly controlled by the Welsh Government nor are they accountable to the people. We have a void in Welsh Government where robust, rigorous, innovative health policy should be made.'

When somebody as distinguished as Professor McClelland makes points in that way, isn't it right that the health Secretary should listen?