6. Debate on the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee report: Industry 4.0 — The Future of Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:17 pm on 17 October 2018.

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Photo of Adam Price Adam Price Plaid Cymru 4:17, 17 October 2018

I think it remains to be seen whether this is the swansong for me as a committee member in responding to this report, but—[Interruption.] Okay, calm yourself.

But I think the committee Chair was absolutely right: I think this has been one of the most fascinating and most far-reaching of reports. Just to focus in on one of the recommendations that the Chair referred to in terms of this idea of creating a test bed, I think this is an incredible opportunity for us, and I think the point about a test bed in a particular place—the real opportunity is actually in the combination of technology. So, actually, test beds exist, don't they, and living labs for particular ideas? And the idea of smart city pilot projects, they exist across the world. The interesting idea about building a cross-technology test bed, if you like—. People refer to it as building a city or a town from the internet up, fast forwarding the future, and it's the interconnection with the different technologies and building an urban laboratory where you can see the interaction between the power of mass-produced sensors and cloud computing and driverless cars, et cetera, all being built out in the same place. And there are, of course—. This is beginning to happen. So, in the eastern waterfront of Toronto at the moment, Sidewalk Labs, which is Google's urban innovations subsidiary company, is building an urban test bed, the first of its kind, for $50 million, just to give people a quantum of what we're talking about. Bill Gates is doing the same in Belmont, Arizona—an $80-million project there, which is combining these technologies for the first time. So, it's happening in the United States. No-one has built one in Europe yet. There was a proposal to do so in Portugal recently, but that hasn't as yet happened. Certainly no-one's done one in a rural context either. There are different questions about the rural context that Calvin Jones referred to in some of his remarks.

Of course, it's not just a technology test bed, it's a social innovation test bed, because you can't really test technology until, actually, you put the humans into the picture as well. It's how people interact with technology that is one of the key questions, and that's why the exciting thing about building a real test bed, which is a test bed at a human scale in a new planned community, is that it allows you to actually capture that knowledge. It's why the technology companies themselves are investing in this because they can see that, actually, if you're able to capture that data, then it actually provides you with a platform for innovation, which is very exciting indeed.

Why don't we build the first one in Europe here in Wales? The kind of figures that I've talked about there, they're not beyond the realms of our capacity, are they? And, actually, that would give us a brand. In some sense, what you're doing is building a showcase; you're building an open exhibition area, really, for Wales's offer in terms of AI technology. And, actually, $50 to $100 million, that's not a bad investment compared to some of the other things that we often invest in in terms of our economic development strategy. So, I would urge the Cabinet Secretary to look again at this. I've previously suggested—look—you could actually combine it with a bid for an expo. You don't have to go for the big one, but you could go for the smaller one, the intermediate one, which are built around specific themes. In 2027, for example, you could say, 'Well, actually, the community of the future, the AI community of the future, could be the theme', and you could build the test bed, effectively, as the expo site, and then it could continue as this kind of urban laboratory in future.

A couple of other things that we could do: the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, this week, has actually announced creating the world's first AI college. It took us 20 years in Wales to create a software university—I remember the pamphlet when it was first put out. Why don't we leapfrog the future and actually build an AI college? That could be a very, very exciting opportunity for us in Wales.

I totally agree with the need for a fund. Just to give you an idea, a city in China—Tianjin—has got a $16 billion fund for AI. That's just one city in China; Shanghai has got exactly the same. Both of them together are spending more on AI in that fund than we are doing throughout the whole of the European Union. If that doesn't smack us into action, then nothing will.