Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:24 pm on 6 November 2018.
The senior management team—. Yes, it's quite noteworthy the number of new staff that have been taken on, but the old staff are still there. So, you've got this ballooning, ballooning, ballooning management team, and yet, Llandudno hospital have had to close wards—they can't get staff. There has been no improvement in the short or medium or long-term planning in terms of attracting nurses. Have you seen the number of vacancies now for nurses in the Betsi Cadwaladr health board? Things may be better on paper in some areas, but, frankly, as an Assembly Member, my workload is no less and the distress to my constituents, if anything, is growing. So, all I would say to you is you do need to look more at some of the other things.
But, the point that Michelle Brown made earlier, and also Helen made too, about—you can't guess when you might take this board out of special measures. It's been there the longest it's ever been in any of the four parts of the United Kingdom, three years and counting. You mentioned in June 18 months and you're still saying 18 months. So, it looks almost like it'll be the next election before we even consider it.
Can you just tell this Senedd and the Members here when you yourself, as a Cabinet Secretary, as a Minister in a Government of a nation, when do you see this health board coming out of special measures? But, more importantly, when do you envisage that being a situation where real improvements have been made? I will always have a casework load, I appreciate that, but when will we as AMs and my constituents and your patients actually say, 'Do you know what? Things have improved'? Just tell us a timescale, please.