5., 6., 7., 8. & 9. The Carbon Accounting (Wales) Regulations 2018, The Climate Change (Carbon Budgets) (Wales) Regulations 2018, The Climate Change (Interim Emissions Targets) (Wales) Regulations 2018, The Climate Change (International Aviation and International Shipping) (Wales) Regulations 2018 and The Climate Change (Net Welsh Emissions Account Credit Limit) (Wales) Regulations 2018

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:11 pm on 4 December 2018.

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Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 6:11, 4 December 2018

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I'd like to thank Members for their contributions to this debate. The intergovernmenal panel on climate change recently reported that current rates of warming could see the global average temperature rise hit 1.5 degrees centigrade as soon as 2030. Following that report, I did write to Members to highlight our joint request for advice from the committee on climate change regarding how the Paris agreement and the evidence in the IPCC report may affect our long-term emissions reduction targets. However, I think what really came out very clearly from the report was the need for urgent action now. The regulations set the framework for action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and we've already achieved reduction in emissions from waste, from buildings and from industry, but, of course, I absolutely accept that more needs to be done.

In March, we will publish our plan for the first carbon budget to get us to the 2020 target. We'll set out the action that we'll take, but also, importantly, what we expect others such as the UK Government to take, especially given that nearly 60 per cent of our emissions are outside our control. We know that our emissions profile is significantly different from the UK as a whole because of our past and this makes our emissions more volatile. The decarbonisation pathway established by these regulations is the best balance between ambition and achievability.

If I could just turn to particular points raised by Members today, the people of Wales need access to good-quality jobs that are resilient for a changing economy. The people of Wales also deserve to live in a clean and healthy environment, and it's about getting the balance right. I think Andrew R.T. Davies made a very important point about taking people with us and also about us all playing our part. Jenny Rathbone said, when I chaired the first ministerial group on decarbonisation—I'm not sure the word 'terror' was used, but absolutely, everybody realised, right across Government, that we all have to play our part.

Mike Hedges, as Chair of the committee, raised some very important points. I know, Mike, you think that the targets may not be ambitious enough. I have to say that an 80 per cent target by 2050 isn't within the scope of these regulations today, but the framework we have doesn't stop us going even further. The CCC did suggest an 80 per cent reduction for the UK implies a 76 per cent reduction in Wales. So, by adopting the 2050 target of at least 80 per cent, I think we're arguably making a proportionally greater contribution to the Paris agreement than the UK as a whole. But of course, we need to keep those under review. 

Llyr mentioned that it's hard to agree targets and budgets before seeing the plan. Right across the UK, that is the usual process. You do set the target or the carbon budget first, and then publish a plan to meet the budget. You raised the point about revisiting the targets. I can't revisit the target for the 2020 budget because that would be going against due process of the Act because it wouldn't give us sufficient time to have the robust analysis that we would need to underpin our decision, but I absolutely commit to revisiting the target for the second budget and certainly when we're setting our third carbon budget, which will be at the end of the first carbon budget in 2020. I think we'll then be able to get some really appropriate, detailed analysis, and that again would link with wider UK pathways. 

Mike Hedges also raised the question about not sharing the low-carbon delivery plan, but I did agree to share it with the committee a few days before we publish it next March. We're working to very challenging timescales in terms of finalising both the statutory framework and the first low-carbon delivery plan. 

Andrew R.T. Davies raised the issue of—obviously, the Conference of the Parties is happening at the moment. I chose to go to the San Francisco global climate action summit in September, but officials are there representing Wales. I've certainly visited COP and I know other Ministers and predecessors before me have visited and it's certainly very good to share best practice, and I think, as a region, we really do punch above our weight and people are very interested to hear what we're doing to reduce our emissions. 

Presiding Officer, the regulations demonstrate to people and businesses in Wales that the National Assembly and the Welsh Government accept climate change is a serious, dangerous problem and one that we simply cannot ignore. The regulations provide certainty and clarity and show international markets Wales is open to low-carbon business. They demonstrate to people and to governments around the world we are determined to play our part in tackling this global crisis, and I think they show the people of Wales we are committed to improving their social, environmental, economic and cultural well-being. But, ultimately, they demonstrate to young people and our future generations we value their lives and livelihoods as much as our own. Diolch.