12. Statement by the Minister for Environment, Energy and Rural Affairs: The Impact of a 'No Deal' Brexit on the Environment, Agriculture and Fisheries

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:51 pm on 22 January 2019.

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Photo of Llyr Gruffydd Llyr Gruffydd Plaid Cymru 5:51, 22 January 2019

I hear the concerns about 'Brexit and our land'. Of course, the best way to mitigate those concerns is to not have Brexit in the first place, but there we are; that's for another statement, I suppose.

I don't need anybody to tell me how bad a 'no deal' Brexit would be for Wales. I'm in the same camp as the Minister; I've been pretty clear about that from day one, and I have to say, in thanking you for the statement today, it's quite thorough in outlining some of the key concerns and issues and impacts, but I—. And whilst you're saying that you're on it, that you're on the case in terms of trying to mitigate some of those, I'm not seeing, actually, many concrete outcomes in terms of what is happening, other than, 'Trust me, we're on it.'

So, my first question to you, given that the EU, of course, regulates the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink—you know, it is quite important—how confident are you that what needs to be done will have been done in time, in relation to mitigating all of the risks that come from a 'no deal' scenario? I think that was a key message I was hoping to see in your statement. I don't, so maybe you could maybe give us your assurances that you will get there in time, as difficult as it might be.

But of course, achieving that, as you say in your statement, does mean working closely with other devolved administrations and the UK Government. I'm just wondering how, in this current climate, you're ensuring that the Welsh voice is heard in those discussions, because, you know, I'm not full of confidence that, even if it is being heard, it's being listened to. If there are disagreements about some proposals, how do you resolve those? My fear is that, too often, the UK Government might be pulling rank in a way that works against Welsh interests. The Prime Minister did say yesterday that the devolved administrations would have a more prominent role to play. I'm just wondering how you envisage that happening in reality.

Two years ago, you said that UK Government Ministers felt they had, and I quote, 'magic powers', over Welsh agriculture, despite it being a devolved matter. You said you made it clear that there can be no imposition. Well, I'm just wondering what part are you playing, then, in the discussions on the new trading agreement between the UK and New Zealand, because by your own admission, an influx of New Zealand lamb would—in your own words

'absolutely destroy the Welsh lamb industry.'

Now, particularly within the context of a 'no deal' Brexit, I think the impact doesn't bear thinking about. So, when you come to these arrangements with the UK Government, of course, timing and time pressures mean that you, very often, have to subvert the normal scrutiny procedures that we have here in the Assembly. So, what assurances can you give ourselves as opposition Assembly Members, and your own backbench Members as well, that we will be able to properly scrutinise your decisions and hold you accountable in a way that allows us to fulfil our duties and obligations as Assembly Members?

And two very short points to close—although they're very, very important points. In any post-Brexit scenario, but particularly within a 'no deal' context, what plans does the Government have to maximise the domestic market for Welsh produce? And I'm thinking particularly of public procurement, because we've been talking about this for many, many years. We still haven't got to a point where we feel that the Welsh pound is working as hard as it can in the interests of Wales, and, of course, it'll need to work harder than ever in this kind of scenario. Finally, on environmental governance, last year you told the Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee that you would—and I quote

'take the first proper legislative opportunity to enshrine the environmental principles into law and close the governance gap.'

Well, clearly, the clock is now ticking louder than ever, and I'm just wondering if you could give us an update on how you intend to plug that gap in the short space of time that we now have left, potentially.