12. Statement by the Minister for Environment, Energy and Rural Affairs: The Impact of a 'No Deal' Brexit on the Environment, Agriculture and Fisheries

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:55 pm on 22 January 2019.

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Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 5:55, 22 January 2019

I thank Llyr for that series of questions. I thought I'd pick up on two examples of where, I think, we are making real progress because, as you say, time is running out. So, one area—. And it's about a balance. It's about—. You know, when do you divulge information? Because we're accused of scaremongering, but, equally, I think, the people of Wales deserve to be made aware of where there are concerns. So, an area that I had real concerns about was water supplies. So, we've been working very closely with DEFRA—and I have to say, my engagement with DEFRA has been very good, not so good in other departments, but I have to say DEFRA has been good, and I think it's because there's been a framework between DEFRA and the Welsh Government, perhaps, for longer than other departments. So, we've been working, as I say, very hard with DEFRA because my concern was a 'no deal' risk to water treatment chemicals, if we weren't able to store them, for instance, if there was a short supply. But that has now reduced in recent months. We've got a much better understanding of the risks, the sector is taking the risks very seriously, they're taking action to avoid any problems occurring; and we're working with, as I say, the UK Government, but also with Welsh suppliers on managing the risks. So, we've had a desktop exercise, for instance, earlier this month. That tested, again, various scenarios in the contingency plan. We've got a practical exercise coming up, and now I am much happier with that contingency plan.

There's also, obviously, concerns about food supplies, and, again, it's about managing—. You know, I had somebody coming to my surgery who'd read something in the press—they were very concerned about food supplies, and we've got the DEFRA food chain emergency liaison group. That includes DAs and, obviously, industry trade bodies, and, again, they're gauging preparedness. So, manufacturers tell us that they're very confident of the supply to the public. So, I think that's a very positive message to give. Choice might be affected, of course. If you're used to getting food from Spain, that might not be on the shelves as quickly as you can, and it might be much more limited than usual. So, I think that's two areas where we ensure—working with other UK Government departments—that that Welsh voice is heard. How we continue to do that is to make sure that we're round the table. So, the First Minister's made it very clear, as did the previous First Minister, if we're invited to meetings, we turn up and we are there. And, I have to say, we're expected to go to London far more than anybody's expected to go anywhere else, but we are always there, and I know that that's right across with all my Cabinet colleagues.

It's really important that we are round the table about trade. It's absolutely correct when you say that, and I absolutely was adamant about New Zealand, and nothing's reassured me about that. It was interesting to see that the UK Prime Minister met the New Zealand Minister yesterday. You know that I visited New Zealand in April last year and met with their chief negotiator who made it very clear to me a UK free trade agreement was absolutely top of his priorities. So, that concern is really there. So, my colleague Ken Skates—his officials are, obviously, leading on this. I just got a paper in my box today that I need to read about trade, but, again, it's just about making sure that we're round that table having those discussions, and I can assure you we are.

It's also about having red lines, and you ask about scrutiny. I had a debate in the Chamber—Suzy Davies brought forward the motion on SIs last week, and I explained that if the Assembly was going to scrutinise every SI that I am clearing at the moment, it would probably take about six months of Tuesdays and Wednesdays with very little other business. I'm doing the work, my officials are doing the work, I'm trying to help save you the work because it is really important that we have a fully functioning statute book when we leave the EU. However, it's also important that when we're taking transitionary powers, for instance, from the UK Agriculture Bill and the UK Fisheries Bill—and I know we're in front of committee on Thursday—that the red lines are met, and I have red lines on the Agriculture Bill, and by working with DEFRA, we've overcome those. I've got red lines on the Fisheries Bill, and that work is still ongoing.

I think you raise a really important point about public procurement, and I do think that is one of the opportunities. When we talk about opportunities post Brexit, I think public procurement is one. When I was health Minister—and I've had conversations with the First Minister about when he was health Minister—it was very frustrating that we weren't able to procure Welsh produce in a way we can. So, I absolutely think that is an opportunity. When it's really hard sometimes to see any opportunities, it's good to find them now and again. In relation to governance, I'm currently looking at that and looking to address that, identifying the gap, and I will be going out to consultation.