Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:25 pm on 18 June 2019.
Yes, thank you for that. You've absolutely hit the nail on the head; I think there is no reason at all why we can't deliver public services in Wales as a single all-Wales public service approach. We're going down a road of discussing that with local government in this instance, but also we've had discussions with the health boards. I was very upfront in saying to Mark Isherwood, and I'll say it again: we have not had the policy time to bring health into this straightaway, but we will look, as we take the Bill through the Assembly, and through the scrutiny of the Assembly committees, to have that discussion and to leave the pathway open for health if that is something that health and local government, working together in the regional partnership boards, think would be beneficial. We think they will think that, but we are not—I cannot emphasise enough that we are not imposing this.
I completely agree with you about the scrutiny issue. So, again, we will not be being prescriptive in the Bill; we will be looking to co-produce with local government scrutiny guidance. We hope to be able to share the good practice of scrutiny across Wales. The regional arrangements—they can have regional scrutiny if they want. They can also have individual local government scrutiny if they want, or I would envisage, actually, a combination of the two, but we are not being restrictive in any way about that. What we want to see is what works best.
The new performance regime that will go alongside this in the forthcoming local government Bill, as it's introduced to the Assembly, we hope, in October, will also have the new arrangements for local authority elections in it and, Llywydd, my officials have been working very hard on the Senedd bit of that, but this is the other bit of it. So, the Bill will have two big parts; part 1 will be the change of the franchise for local government, with all of the complexity that goes alongside of that around the canvass and all the rest of it, and then the second part of it will be these new arrangements and a whole new performance regime. We will, effectively, be repealing the 2009 Measure and replacing that with a new self-improvement peer review regime, which will have a whole series of both statutory and non-statutory guidance associated with it in order to simplify the mechanism by which we do this.
I could not agree more that what we have is a historical layering on of various arrangements, without anyone ever thinking, 'Goodness, this is not how you would do it if you started again'. So, this is local government coming up with this start again, if you like, process. I cannot emphasise enough how collaborative and well intentioned this whole working group has been. It has been a pleasure to attend, and people have approached it in the spirit that Dai Lloyd set out in his contribution. So, I very much look forward to taking the Bill through the Assembly, and being able to have the in-depth conversation in the scrutiny committees and on the floor of the Chamber as we take it through.
And I neglected to say to Mark Isherwood, in response to one of his questions, I've just realised as well, that, on that issue about scrutiny, we'll be very keen to see what the Assembly committees have to say about their role in scrutinising the Welsh Government's role in this sort of collaborative working.