Can I thank the Minister for her statement on the working group on local government? Now, obviously, 22 local authorities were created back in 1996 and they hardly had any time to bed in before the fledgling National Assembly for Wales came along in 1999, and sometimes I think we're still reaping that harvest, really, because I don't think we've ever really got to grips with the conversation about who does what as regards the delivery of services in Wales as a result of that 1996/1999 situation. And the challenge of how to organise services—what needs to be done nationally, what needs to be done regionally and what needs to be done locally, that challenge to service organisation— remains. And people are always saying, 'Well, Wales is only 8,000 square miles, 3 million people, come on, people, surely we can organise something without tears, lots of partnerships and the rest.'

Now, I noticed the creation of a new sub-group here, and you mentioned quite broadly in your speech there the work that's going on. Could I ask you to elaborate a bit on the work, more broadly, in how we seriously consider delivering public services across the board in Wales, that national, regional, local thing—about the whole of public services, not just about local government, now, wider than local government, yes, all of local government, but also health, social care, housing, transport, economic development, which you mentioned, and how you see that happening? Because that's what needs to happen, regardless of—. I'm not going to have the 'lines on maps' conversation, but we need to have a mature debate about how we deliver public services to 3 million people in 8,000 square miles. It's done in other places without the degree of complexity that we have now, which is partly historic, but obviously sometimes you just have to grasp the bull by the horns and actually go for it in terms of properly co-ordinated delivery of services, which you do mention, and I'm wondering if you could expand on that, because obviously the point about democratic scrutiny is all-important and sometimes what gets lost now when we talk sometimes a bit loosely about regional planning is where the democratic scrutiny comes in, then, because people are only elected to their local authority, not to a regional board, as such. 

And, more specifically, my only other question is in regard to enabling local authorities—the power to create a new form of joint working that you outlined, a new joint-working vehicle, a new body corporate, if you like. Will this be extended to allowing local authorities to establish jointly between them a non-profit service provider, where local authorities jointly can provide better services, rather than them just setting up non-profits individually? I would hope that they could work together, public services, and jointly provide better services, but I await your answer. Thank you.