Reading the report and the Government's responses, you could be forgiven for thinking the problem the Government faces with the Welsh bac is that colleges don't properly understand what it is. However, looking at some of the information in the full report, it's clear that the actual problem the Welsh Government faces is that universities and educational professionals do understand the Welsh bac but don't like it very much.

Durham University examined the Welsh bac closely in 2016 after it had been changed a year earlier, and concluded it was not equivalent to an A-level and that they would not consider it as part of a potential student's application. Where colleges are prepared to accept it, they often nuance that by saying that they would not accept it as a qualification for entry on to the higher-end courses such as medicine.

Even the chief executive of Qualifications Wales, Philip Blaker, says that three A-levels alongside the SCC element of the Welsh bac is probably the best solution for learners, but that effectively renders much of the bac pointless. Most universities—[Interruption.] No. I don't have much time, Hefin.

Most universities make offers based on three A-levels, and those courses that require more are likely to be the high-end ones that colleges have said they won't accept the Welsh bac for. So, Welsh bac supporters can say until they're blue in the face that the qualification is equivalent to an A-level, but the fact is that most universities seem to disagree. And they disagree not because of a lack of understanding of it, but because they do understand it.

Worryingly, research from Cardiff University shows that students who have the Welsh bac often perform less well at university than other students, and that makes me wonder if the qualification—[Interruption.] If you doubt it, ask Cardiff University. It makes me wonder if the qualification gives students an easier ride than an A-level and is leaving them underprepared for the rigours of undergraduate courses. [Interruption.] It would certainly be one of the explanations behind university admissions—[Interruption.]—officers being reluctant to treat it as a full A-level equivalent. I'm not giving way, I'm sorry. So, it's not surprising that we are finding the Welsh bac the hard sell to students when all the evidence is that it is counterproductive. To be able to open all the doors of learners from England, a Welsh pupil would have to study three A-levels and the Welsh bac. [Interruption.] Do I have to get any louder?