Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:46 pm on 17 September 2019.
Can I thank you for your statement, Minister? It's clear that, even with the limited increase that we're seeing in this year's spending round, the impact of 10 years of austerity is not being adequately addressed and Wales still faces some very difficult financial situations in the years ahead. It was interesting to hear Nick Ramsay's comments to the First Minister earlier and in response to you, Minister, when even Nick had to recognise that we've had some cutbacks. I think you're starting to master the art of understatement now, Nick. [Laughter.]
But it's also clear from what—[Interruption.] It's also clear from what the former Tory Prime Minister David Cameron has written in his memoirs that he believes that his Government should actually have delivered bigger and faster cuts. He suggested that his Government should have gone harder on the deficit after he became PM in 2010. He said:
'My assessment now is that we probably didn't cut enough.'
And he goes on to say that:
'Those who were opposed to austerity were going to be opposed and pretty hysterically to whatever we did...we might as well well have ripped the plaster off with more cuts early on.'
Would you agree with me, finance Minister, that, in spite of what the Welsh Conservatives say today and the regular calls for Welsh Government to spend more, we now know that in reality they would have preferred to have made even deeper cuts to our budgets and that that should send a stark warning to the Welsh electorate, whenever that election comes, and, under them and their new-found friends in the Brexit Party, that we will not be seeing the desperately needed increases in local government and other front-line services? Would you also join me in condemning their arrogance in calling those of us who've opposed the damage caused by austerity as hysterical?