Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:05 pm on 1 October 2019.
Could I first declare my interest as chair of the European advisory group for the First Minister? And with that, can I just thank all those on that group and on other sector-specific groups who've given up their time to contribute their expertise on preparing for Brexit, and in particular in preparing for a 'no deal'?
Just a simple factual reflection here: the sad fact is that this huge and sustained effort, like that that the Minister has referred to of the diverted army of civil servants, policy officials, legal experts and others, is at the direct cost of turning their attention away from other urgent matters of social and economic reform. Brexit has cost Wales and the UK already, but it continues to cost us in that diverted energy and missed opportunities.
But could I ask you, Minister, about any discussions you may have had with the UK Government? You've made clear, quite rightly, that the issue of medicines is very much a UK responsibility. But it's specifically on the preparation in the case of a 'no deal' for the issue of parallel exports from the UK to the EU and wider overseas, where we could find, quite remarkably, but we can anticipate this, the situation where sterling dips in the run-up to a 'no deal'—and the Prime Minister at the moment keeps reminding us that if all else fails, we are heading for a 'no deal'—but sterling dips, and because of the change in the exchange rate, as we have seen before without Brexit even happening, parallel exporters take the opportunity to raid the wholesalers, raid individual pharmacists who have trading licenses, and we suddenly find that, in the situation of taking our country back, we find that medicines for patients here in the UK that are part of 'no deal' preparations, part of that preparation to avoid a situation of shortages, are being sold overseas.
Now, that would be preposterous, and I don't think anybody would want to see it. It's not something within the gift of the Welsh Government, I know, but I'd be grateful if he could reassure us that he's raising those concerns with UK Ministers so that every possible signal is being sent to those parallel traders that they should not do that in anticipation of a 'no deal'—that their commercial imperatives should not override the moral imperative to put UK citizens and UK patients first.
Could I also ask you what you've made of the British Medical Association's brief that has been sent round, I think, to all Assembly Members? In their words, it tells of the catastrophic consequences for health services of a 'no deal'—on patient safety, on winter pressures, on medical research, on recognition of professional qualifications, reciprocal healthcare arrangements, international co-operation on rare diseases, the health and care workforce and immigration, as the Minister has mentioned, and much more. Does the Minister regard this very clear message from the BMA as a simple rerun of project fear, or the genuine fears of people who have the concerns of their patients, of our social services and health service, at the forefront of their minds, about what could happen in the case of a 'no deal'? And if that is the case, and these are genuine fears, isn't that once again why a 'no deal' should be simply ruled out?