Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:46 pm on 5 November 2019.
First Minister, as we've heard, the criminal justice system in England and Wales is in need of much improvement. There's a body of evidence that establishes that, and I think this authoritative report significantly adds to it. We know that far too many people are sent to prison, as you mentioned in your opening statement, compared to our our western European neighbours, for example, and that creates overcrowding, which makes rehabilitation very, very difficult indeed.
We know that many of the people there have mental health issues, alcohol and drug issues, which are not properly or adequately addressed. And we know that there's much overlap between the services that Welsh Government is responsible for in terms of those problems and the non-devolved criminal justice aspects. We know that it all needs to be joined up much more effectively, and devolution would make that joining up so much easier. It would also enable, of course, joined-up scrutiny from the Assembly and outside bodies.
So, I just think that what we have at the moment is failing morally and failing very much in practical terms. What we have as a consequence is more victims of crime in Wales, in our communities, so our communities in general suffer from a higher level of crime than would otherwise be the case. And, of course, the families of offenders suffer, as well as the offenders themselves. It's a very bleak and, I must say, depressing picture that has persisted for far too long.
So, I really do believe that this report now, this authoritative report, is an opportunity to make progress on these matters with medium and longer term devolution, but also with the shorter term steps that are pointed to. And I hope very much, First Minister, that, in due course, Welsh Government will be able to set out its response in those terms—the short-term measures that can be taken as well as the medium and longer term improvements in terms of devolution. And I would hope, and I know many here today would hope, that Welsh Government will be able to set that out as quickly as possible in the most practical terms.