Of course, the line of questions of your role are out of order, are they not? I of course accept your judgment in that matter, Llywydd.

Last week, First Minister, we spoke about the justice commission, and you said the justice commission report showed the way forward for the devolution of justice in Wales. Lord Thomas said that a team of just 10 civil servants could be relied upon to support that devolution of justice, because we could lean on the judiciary and the law schools in Wales. Yet the person who was, for almost 10 years, the leading judge in Wales said about women lawyers:

'You'll come across it all the time, especially with, in particular, young women lawyers, barristers, who get emotionally involved with their clients. It's the kiss of death.'