10. Debate: Improving Outcomes for Children Annual Report

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:40 pm on 26 November 2019.

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Photo of Julie Morgan Julie Morgan Labour 5:40, 26 November 2019

Thank you very much, and thank you very much, everyone, for the contributions that you've made. I know we're all driven to do as much as we possibly can to support children and young people to remain safely with their families, and where that is not possible, to have a positive experience of the care system. I hope you all agree that the annual report is clear in its account of all we've achieved, and it provides a good narrative about what we're doing next.

Now, to answer some of the particular queries that have arisen, on the issue of targets, which we have raised here several times, all local authorities are committed to reducing the number of children in their care. Four have not produced a numerical target, but all are committed to the First Minister's agenda and they want fewer children in care. I want to emphasise again that we are going for a safety-first approach, and I can't really reiterate that too much—that we would not want anyone to take any action that wasn't in the best interests of the child, and all the local authorities know that, and they have themselves come forward with the figures. So, we are not having binding targets—to answer the specific questions from the Plaid Members—we are not having binding targets; we are working co-productively with the local authorities, the local authorities are producing the targets, there are no sanctions, and we are trying to work together to move this agenda forward because we have had numerous reports, we've been trying to address this policy, these issues, for many years, and we haven't had any results. In fact, things have got worse, and I think we've heard today how the numbers are rising. So, it is absolutely essential that we address this agenda, and that is what we are doing, in a co-productive way. So, I hope that answers the queries, and, of course, we are accepting the amendments.

Then the other issue, of course, is we want fewer children to come into care. We are moving to put as much support as we can into prevention, and that has been raised here several times today. The rights-based approach—we are totally committed to a rights-based approach, and that is something that we will continue to work towards. I know that on the ministerial advisory group, the rights-based approach is used in order to ensure that we approach all our work in that sort of way, so I want to reiterate that we are using rights-based measures.

I know that what Lord Thomas says is extremely interesting in terms of his discussions about children, and I know that Janet Finch-Saunders raised the issue of drug and alcohol courts, which he has raised, and that is something that we will look at and we will discuss again, but his proposals are something that we really do welcome, and we will be looking at.

So, in conclusion I want to end, really, by thanking David for all the work that has been done on that group, and to thank him for telling the Chamber the sort of issues that you are addressing. David's work is based on listening to children, and I think those issues have come up about children's involvement. I was really pleased that, last week, on 20 November, we were able to celebrate the 30 years anniversary of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, and we did that by listening to what young people said, and by young people joining in and discussing and saying what they wanted. I think that was a really great example of making sure that young people's voices were heard. So, we don't want anybody lost in care, and we want everyone to think of another word other than 'corporate parenting'. So, thank you very much.