I'm not going to get into the almost metaphysical debate that's gone on about the ethical nature of the Bill, but I will support what has been said by Llyr Gruffydd and David Rowlands about the fact that animals travelling with the circuses need that level of regulation. I agree with that and I think that is something that needs to be strengthened in the Bill.

Llyr beat me to it. I was going to pay tribute to Linda Joyce-Jones as well. You said she's in the gallery. I can't see her, but she's a very welcome campaigner and we jointly hosted an event on 8 October calling for the ban of all wild animals, and all animals, in circuses and travelling shows earlier this year. So, this is something that is welcome and as other Members have said—I'm not going to rub it in, Minister—beyond timely. It's very, very welcome.

When young people come to the Senedd from schools, one of the things that I try and impress upon them is that we are doing real things that will affect their lives. In Tir-y-Berth, Circus Mondao exhibited wild animals there and there was a big protest in my constituency, in Tir-y-Berth—they called it Bargoed, but it wasn't; it was further up the valley. There were children from that area who had gone to the circus. And the question I've asked time and time again of those children visiting is, 'Are you in favour of wild animals in circuses?' Following the discussion and the kind of discussion that we have here, the result is almost always unanimous against—even those children who'd been to the circus. They're their audience. They'd been to the circus. They said, 'We don't need the wild animals in the circus', and therefore this ban is timely.

And you see Circus Mondao—they've attacked me on Facebook. I did a video following a First Minister's question that I asked. It had 14,000 views and got as far as Australia and they were attacking me for calling for this ban, so that tells me it's definitely worth doing, because, when you're attacked, you know that you're right. I think it's certainly—[Interruption.] It's certainly—[Interruption.] It's certainly—[Interruption.] Well, it's my rule of thumb; it's always worked for me [Laughter.] It's certainly the case—[Interruption.] It's certainly the case that it cleans up legislation as well. Before I was elected as an Assembly Member here, Thomas Chipperfield had had their circus licence application withdrawn because DEFRA were unhappy with the conditions in which some of their animals were being held, but they were still able to set up a public show in Tir-y-Berth because the regulations didn't apply in Wales. So, this legislation needs to address that and I think the fact that it is coming across the UK as a ban will address that.

Many of the people who were at the event I co-hosted with Llyr were calling for wider, stronger legislation, but we're also aware of the animal welfare licensing of animal exhibits regulations that the Minister has mentioned, and I would hope that there would be the opportunity to clean issues up through that as well, although I've also had representations from constituents who are concerned about the impact of that on dog shows. So, you know, you try and do one thing and something else goes wrong, as is politics. But I think, in short, I'm happy to welcome this legislation and, notwithstanding those reservations that have been expressed in this Chamber, pleased to see it proceed.