7. Debate: General Principles of the Wild Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:57 pm on 7 January 2020.

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Photo of Joyce Watson Joyce Watson Labour 6:57, 7 January 2020

I welcome this piece of legislation. I did vote for it and I'm really pleased that it's here on the table. I agree with what Llyr has said and I also agree with what Janet has said. I think that's the thing: those people who support it would like to see it go, if possible and where possible, a little bit deeper and a little bit wider. I agree with—and I was going to quote from the RSPCA Cymru's response, but I'm not going to bother because I'm just going to waste time, but I believe and agree with what they have said, and I do think that we need to take note of what they've written to us, and I'm sure to you as well, Minister. When we pass this legislation, we'll be joining 50 other countries—my research said—and that does include England and Scotland, and I am saddened that we're behind the curve, but I'm also very pleased that we are now going to implement it.

I cannot in any way call this a form of entertainment. For some people, possibly, it might be. But, for the animals, my argument would be it isn't entertainment. So, I don't believe—and this is what we're trying to prevent—that any wild animal should be in a circus, and that view is shared with the 74 per cent of people in Wales who supported that in a 2015 poll. So, we are duty bound in cases like that, when we ask people and we go out and say, 'Is this what you’d like to see?', to try and implement that, and I'm pleased that we have. There is a real strength of feeling here.

I do also want to pay tribute to the people who have campaigned, successfully now, to see this at the table. It's never easy, is it, to be a lone voice or feel like you're a lone voice in trying to bring about change, but it is also a testament, isn't it, to the Petitions Committee, that that also drives change. I suppose that Dafydd Elis-Thomas, when he first put the Petitions Committee into being, could see the value of that as an avenue for change.