Broadband Services

1. Questions to the Minister for Economy and Transport – in the Senedd on 22 January 2020.

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Photo of Paul Davies Paul Davies Conservative

(Translated)

1. Will the Minister make a statement on the Welsh Government's plans to improve broadband services in west Wales? OAQ54942

Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 1:30, 22 January 2020

Via Superfast Cymru, we have provided over 111,350 premises across west Wales with average broadband speeds of 82 Mbps, investing over £32.3 million. Our successor scheme will provide connectivity to a further 1,348 premises, alongside support from Access Broadband Cymru and the Gigabit Broadband Voucher Scheme. And a new community fund is also being developed. 

Photo of Paul Davies Paul Davies Conservative

I appreciate that response from the Deputy Minister. I've previously raised the situation faced by the people of Mynachlog-ddu in my constituency, who, unfortunately, experience a slow and intermittent broadband service, coupled with stranded technology where wires are effectively hanging on poles. As the Deputy Minister will know, Pembrokeshire is currently twentieth out of the 22 local authorities when it comes to the number of premises in Wales where broadband infrastructure operators are present. I appreciate that the Welsh Government has launched a £10 million rural broadband fund recently. So, can I ask the Deputy Minister how he intends to ensure that this funding reaches counties like Pembrokeshire, and when will that much needed funding be delivered so that communities like Mynachlog-ddu can be confident that their situation is being addressed?

Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 1:31, 22 January 2020

Well, thank you very much, and I have sympathy with the people of Mynachlog-ddu, because, clearly, this is a vital piece of connectivity we now all rely upon. But I repeat again to the Member that this is not a devolved matter. The UK Government has the lead responsibility for connecting people through telecommunications policies, and this is an area where they should be taking the lead, and have failed to take the lead. Now, due to that failure, we instead have stepped in, and we've made significant progress—95 per cent of people in Wales are now connected to superfast schemes, and we've diverted funding from devolved areas into this non-devolved area because of market failure and UK Government inaction. Some £200 million in total has been spent. 

So, I do get a little fed up when I get letters from Conservative MPs in particular, asking what more is the Government going to do about this, when this is their own Government's responsibility that they have not discharged. I appreciate that's not the answer the Member is looking for, but it's a truth he must confront.

I did have a very good meeting on Monday with Councillor Paul Miller, the cabinet member for economy in Pembrokeshire, and clearly the local authority are taking a very active role, which I commend them for. They have appointed now a digital team, as have Carmarthenshire, which I commend. They are working with the UK Government on a bid for £4 million through the Local Full Fibre Networks programme to connect 80 public sector sites, which they then should be able to span off into private connections. And they're also looking at how they can aggregate the vouchers that are available through the creation of 88 zones, which can further connect households.

As Paul Davies has mentioned, I've announced a £10 million fund, which is specifically looking at unconventional approaches to this, because, especially in deep rural areas, getting full fibre connection direct to premises, to houses, many of which are not connected to mains gas or sewerage, is a stretch, especially if the UK Government aren't prepared to intervene. Boris Johnson, in his leadership campaign, made extravagant promises on this front and I look forward to seeing them fleshed out, because he is right to say that this is an area of digital infrastructure that really does need more attention. 

But the £10 million fund is being co-produced with the local authorities, including Pembrokeshire. We hope to have those bids by April to start spending that money, and look to see how we can connect those people who have yet benefited from the intervention the Welsh Government's made when the UK Government failed to act. 

Photo of Joyce Watson Joyce Watson Labour 1:34, 22 January 2020

I agree with you, Minister, that Paul Davies would be better off asking his masters from Westminster about having some money here to fund something that they are ultimately responsible for. And the other thing, of course, is, because we have, the Welsh Government have had to invest money in a non-devolved area, they will be asking us for funds for something else that is devolved, and we've had to use our funds to fill in the gap that they've refused to fill.

But there's another gap that is potentially coming along the way, and there has been significant EU money invested in delivering superfast broadband. So, I think the other question is: where and how sure are you that we are going to have access to those funds in the future, through your good offices, assuming that you've had those conversations with Westminster? And I'm also assuming, since Paul Davies is so concerned about it, that he's had those conversations as well.

Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 1:35, 22 January 2020

Thank you very much. Joyce Watson is absolutely right to point out the European dimension to this, because the £200 million that we invested in Superfast Cymru was a combination of UK Government funding, European funding, and Welsh Government funding. So there was a contribution from the UK Government, but it took the Welsh Government's leadership to put that package together, and deploy that money, and manage that money, in an area that should have been done from Westminster. And now, as we look forward to what happens after we're outside of the EU, there remains a gap. We're currently carrying out an open market review, which allows us to gather information about the plans of commercial providers for future roll-out. And through that, we will then have an accurate picture of where the gaps remain. We'll be working with the UK Government to make sure we can marshal and draw down the investment to fill those gaps. But as I repeat, it does take the leadership of the UK Government to step into that space in a non-devolved area to bring the investment and make it happen, and not simply rely on us to make it so.