6. Statement by the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales: Metro Projects in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:08 pm on 25 February 2020.

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Photo of Helen Mary Jones Helen Mary Jones Plaid Cymru 5:08, 25 February 2020

Thank you very much indeed for the statement and for the advance copy. Similarly to Russell George, I'm very happy to give the commitment of these benches to supporting the principles behind the developments of these metros. We all, of course, want to see a more prosperous, greener and more equal Wales. I'm a little bit surprised, in the Minister's statement, that he talks about putting an even greater focus on connectivity, decarbonisation and integration, because I thought that was the point of the metros in the first place, but, nevertheless, that may be somewhat churlish.

If I may, I'll just raise a couple of general points with the Minister and then I've got some more detailed matters that I'd like to raise. To begin with, I'd like to associate myself with everything that he said about historic underinvestment by UK Governments in our rail structure. Of course, this is not something that began 10 years ago, and I would say that this is not exactly the best example of the UK's solidarity, regardless of which party is in control in Westminster, that the First Minister is always keen to remind us of.

But, be that as it may, I'm very glad to see that the Welsh Government has come to Plaid Cymru's thinking in terms of devolution of rail to this Senedd. We've advocated this move for a very long time, and it's good to see that the Minister's caught up with us. But, in terms of whether or not this is going to happen, can I ask the Minister what discussions he's been able to have recently with the UK Government? I fully appreciate that it may have been difficult to do that because we've got reshuffles, and you may have new people in charge, but can you update us on their thinking in terms of full devolution, which of course would require the full devolution of the necessary funding as well? And, can I ask the Minister: if the UK Government won't do what he's asking them to do, what is the fallback position? If they won't either devolve or make the investment that he's asking for, what kind of contingency plans does he require those developing the metro systems to build in, so that we can make some steps towards these laudable aims, even if we don't have the resources that we need to?