I just wanted to endorse briefly some of the comments Rhun made. Rhun referred to the excellent work that the north Wales community health council has done, particularly on vascular services, but that’s one of very many cases. I can tell you that the CHC has played a crucial role in the work around the newborn intensive care units. You remember that campaign that was ultimately won and the CHC was at the heart of it.

They have been a superb advocate for families and those affected by events at Tawel Fan. That, again, was a very prominent case across north Wales, and the CHC were at the very heart of the work there. We’ve heard about vascular services. There’s the whole agenda around special measures. Once again, it’s the community health council that is the voice of the people. They have been there in all circumstances, fighting and standing shoulder to shoulder with patients and citizens, doing exactly what it says on the tin.

Nobody here should be under any misapprehension: this is seen as the Welsh Government closing down a strong and effective voice and advocate for the people of north Wales. I know that the Minister will argue differently, and he has every right to do so, but that’s the perception.

Now, I don’t know whether some of the CHCs are less effective and that we see the loss of the north Wales CHC because of the failings of others. I don’t know. I’m only aware of the situation in north Wales. I tell you now: the perception is that it’s seen as a way of avoiding the scrutiny and the accountability that the health board and the Government have faced over a period of years.

You could do one thing to send a clear message to the people of north Wales. You could make a decision that this body will be located, as Rhun said, in north Wales. I think that would go some of the way to alleviating some of the concerns of people in north Wales. But, unfortunately, losing the community health council will be a loss and the Government has a great deal of work to do to convince people that there isn’t another agenda being played out here.