Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:24 pm on 11 March 2020.
I'm very grateful to you, Dirprwy Lywydd. I feel that the Senedd may be rather tired of me by the end of today, because this isn't my last planned contribution—I thank Dr Dai Lloyd for his kind words. I'm very grateful to the Minister for the tone of her response. I fully endorse a great deal of what she said. She is right, of course, to say that there are some employers who are embracing this agenda very effectively, but I'm sure that she'd agree with me that there are others who are not and that, sometimes, we will inevitably, in Government, need carrots as well as sticks.
I very much welcome her statement today around enacting the socioeconomic duty. I think some of us may be a little bit disappointed about the decision to push it back, but I do understand the context of that, and that it is better to do it a little later and do it well than to rush and do it badly.
I think there are many levers, as the Minister has said—the procurement levers and so on—to promote this agenda in the private sector. But the truth is that many of those levers rest on legislation that I do not believe, and I don't think she believes either, are secure. The very existence of the definition of the six protected characteristics sits in the current Equality Act. If that is watered down, if that is amended in ways that we find unhelpful, I submit that we will need legislative responses, as well as all the other things around partnership and the very important role of the trade union movement and so on that the Minister has mentioned today.
Finally, I'm very grateful again, as I've said, for the very positive response, and I commend this proposal to the Senedd.