14. Debate: Legislative Consent Motion on the Coronavirus Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 1:25 pm on 24 March 2020.

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Photo of Joyce Watson Joyce Watson Labour 1:25, 24 March 2020

Minister, I think I speak the same language as everybody here when I say that never, ever, in our wildest imagination would any of us who are sitting here today imagine that we would be here and be asked to press a button that will actually implement quite draconian legislation and visit it upon people in their homes and in their daily lives. That is not what we came here to do. But what we did come here to do—I'm fairly certain—is to protect people, to try to keep them safe, and to do all that we feel is reasonable and needed and justified to that end.

We find ourselves in the most unusual, unprecedented place that we could ever, ever have imagined. And it is in that light that I will support, as will everybody else here today—. I'm not claiming a personal victory here, because there is no victory in all of this; this is absolutely necessary. It's a means to an end. And the only reason, I suppose, that I will support it is because it is time-limited. These emergency powers are time-limited. They will be reviewed, and I'm sure that they will be reported on when they are used. We hope that we won't have to use every single one of the powers that are written down here today, but the behaviour, as many have said before me, last weekend was truly staggering. Some people clearly didn't understand—I'm sure of that—what it is that they were doing, and people all decided to do the same thing. When they were told to go out and have fresh air, they all ended up en masse in the same place. So, we know now that that won't be able to happen under this ruling.

But I think there are a few things that we need to look at. We're asking other people—. We're passing the legislation, but we're actually asking other people to enforce that legislation if that is the case, and I think we have a duty to make sure that those people who will be enforcing the legislation, and, sometimes, with a hostile population, we have to make sure that they are protected and we have to make sure that they're protected through insurance policies, through any protective gear that they need and some clear guidance also, because some people will now be in the front line.

We've heard a lot of talk about the front line, but the front line is moving all of the time. Yes, the NHS staff are the front line if you need medical care, but it's the supermarket operatives if you need food; it's the lorry drivers if you need that food to get to where we are going to pick it up. So, the front line now is anybody and everybody who is working to keep this country running at this particular moment.

Some of the powers are also here to protect businesses, and I've had an e-mail while we've been sitting here about a business that's been asked to pay rent, but they haven't got any business, and the person they're due to pay it to is also a small business as well. So, we need to take care of people from both sides and understand that when we put some legislation in to help one side, it doesn't negatively impact on the others.

I'm sure that everybody will be here with a heavy heart voting for this. We hope that we'll be able to very, very quickly take those powers away and give people back their freedom, but more importantly, their future.