Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 1:54 pm on 20 May 2020.
First Minister, last week I asked you about your Government revising the coronavirus regulations to remove the requirement that restrictions be necessary. You responded as if I'd suggested the restrictions needn't be proportionate. The record shows that I criticised you for removing the requirement that restrictions be necessary. I concluded by stating that the Westminster requirement for any restrictions to be reasonable and proportionate still held, and that you should be held to account against that. Of course, you and I will have different views about whether restrictions are reasonable and proportionate, and, ultimately, only a judicial review would be determinative. However, why should people in Wales be subject to the most extraordinary, intrusive and prescriptive restrictions on their freedom if they are not necessary? Many who had not before understood the scope of devolved powers don't now like the answer: it's because of devolution, because they live in Wales, and because the Welsh Government, and, presumably, later today the Senedd, make those laws. The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom may consider your restrictions unnecessary. He may completely disagree with your continuity Corbyn equality tests for lifting them. But, as many people are now learning, his writ as British Prime Minister on this, as so many matters, extends to England only. In Wales, the UK Government has been stripped of those powers.
The BBC has run into some trouble in Scotland for suggesting the First Minister there enjoyed exercising the powers, and the correspondent has rightly apologised. However much I disagree with your decisions as First Minister to continue imposing restrictions in Wales that have been lifted in England, I accept you do so from motives of sincere public service. However, do you think one consequence of the crisis for us in Wales will be people understanding devolution better, and how far powers have been shifted from the UK Government and Parliament to your Government and the Senedd? Do you agree that a significant number of people in Wales are only now recognising the extent of this, and how do you respond to the many who would prefer the British Prime Minister to take key decisions rather than you?