12. Voting Time

– in the Senedd at 6:23 pm on 1 July 2020.

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Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:23, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

And that bring us to voting time. 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:24, 1 July 2020

And, as indicated on the agenda, today's votes will be conducted in accordance with Standing Order 34.11. Each political group may nominate one member of the group to carry the same number of votes as there are members of the group, and, in the case of a political group with an Executive role, the nominee will carry the same number of votes as there are members of that group, plus any other members of the Government. Members who do not belong to a group or grouping will vote for themselves. I'll conduct the votes by roll call. 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

And, therefore, the first vote is on the Plaid Cymru debate on the proposed new curriculum, and I call for a vote first of all on the unamended motion, tabled in the name of Siân Gwenllian. On behalf of the Labour group and the Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

Against, Llywydd. 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of the Welsh Conservatives, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of Plaid Cymru, Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

And on behalf of the Brexit Party, Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Mr Neil Hamilton Mr Neil Hamilton UKIP

(Translated)

Against, Llywydd.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote, therefore, is that there are nine in favour of the motion, one abstention, 46 against, and therefore the motion is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Against (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: For (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Against (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: Abstain

(Translated)

Motion not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:25, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on amendment 1, tabled in the name of Darren Millar. On behalf of the Labour group and the Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The Welsh Conservatives—Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Brexit Party—Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote, therefore, is that there were 10 in favour, four abstentions and 42 against, and therefore the amendment is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 1 to NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Abstain (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: Against

(Translated)

Amendment not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:26, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on amendment 2. Amendment 2 is tabled in the name of Rebecca Evans, and, if amendment 2 is agreed, amendments 3 and 4 will be deselected. Therefore, amendment 2 in the name of Rebecca Evans. On behalf of the Labour group and Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

In favour.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The Welsh Conservatives—Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Brexit Party—Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of that vote is that there were 30 in favour, four abstentions, and 22 against, and therefore amendment is agreed, and amendments 3 and 4 are deselected.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 2 to NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Against (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Abstain (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: Against

(Translated)

Amendment agreed.

(Translated)

Amendments 3 and 4 deselected.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:27, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

That brings us to amendment 5. Amendment 5 is tabled in the name of Neil McEvoy. And on behalf of the Labour group and the Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The Welsh Conservatives—Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, on behalf of Plaid Cymru, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Brexit Party—how do you cast your four votes? Mark Reckless.

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

In favour.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote is as follows: there were 15 in favour, no abstentions, and 41 against, and therefore amendment 5 is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 5 to NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: For (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: For

(Translated)

Amendment not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:28, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on amendment 6, tabled in the name of Neil McEvoy. On behalf of the Labour group and Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The Welsh Conservatives—Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast the nine votes of Plaid Cymru?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Mark Reckless, how do you cast the four votes of the Brexit Party?

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

In favour.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

So, there were 16 in favour of amendment 6, no abstentions, and there were 40 against, and therefore the amendment is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 6 to NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: For (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: For

Neil McEvoy – Independent: For

(Translated)

Amendment not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:29, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on amendment 7, in the name of Neil McEvoy. On behalf of the Labour group and Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The Welsh Conservatives—Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Plaid Cymru—Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Bexit Party—Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

In favour.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote is that there was one in favour, there were 14 abstentions and 41 against. And therefore, amendment 7 is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 7 to NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Abstain (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Abstain (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against 

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: For

(Translated)

Amendment not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:30, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is a vote on amendment 8, tabled in the name of Darren Millar. On behalf of the Labour group and Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of the Welsh Conservative group, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast the nine votes of Plaid Cymru?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Mark Reckless, how do you cast the Brexit Party's four votes?

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

In favour.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote is that there were 15 in favour, there were no abstentions and there were 41 against. And therefore, amendment 8 is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 8 to NDM7342 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: For (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against 

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: For

(Translated)

Amendment not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:31, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

That brings us to the vote on the motion as amended.

(Translated)

Motion NDM7342 as amended:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Declares its general support for the purpose of the proposed new curriculum, which is to enable learners to develop as:

a) ambitious, capable learners, ready to learn throughout their lives;

b) enterprising, creative contributors, ready to play a full part in life and work;

c) ethical, informed citizens of Wales and the world; and

d) healthy, confident individuals, ready to lead fulfilling lives as valued members of society. 

2. Agrees that introducing the new curriculum offers a historic opportunity to right many structural injustices in Wales.

3. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s recognition that government has a responsibility to take specific steps to ensure that the curriculum guarantees a baseline of provision for young people across Wales as a matter of basic human rights and welcomes that some elements of the new curriculum will be mandatory as a result.

4. Recognises that the new Curriculum for Wales Humanities guidance “promotes an understanding of the ethnic and cultural diversity within Wales” and “enables learners to take committed social action as participative citizens of their local, national and global communities.”

5. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s commitment to:

a) work with Estyn to ensure that their review of Welsh history takes full account of Welsh, and wider, BAME history, identity and culture; and

b) establishing a working group to oversee the development of learning resources, and identify gaps in current resources or training related to BAME communities, their contributions and experiences.

6. Agrees that the new curriculum should support all learners to learn Welsh and English.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:31, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

On behalf of the Labour group and Government, Carwyn Jones, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour

(Translated)

In favour.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:30, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

On behalf of the Welsh Conservatives, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Brexit Party, Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Neil McEvoy Neil McEvoy Independent

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote is as follows: there were 30 in favour, 14 abstentions and 12 against. And therefore, the motion as amended is agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on motion NDM7342 as amended held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Carwyn Jones on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Abstain (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Abstain (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

Neil McEvoy – Independent: Against

(Translated)

Motion as amended agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:32, 1 July 2020

(Translated)

And that brings today's proceedings to a close. Thank you all very much.

(Translated)

The meeting ended at 18:32.