Group 1: Offence to use wild animals in travelling circuses (Amendments 1, 3, 2)

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 7:14 pm on 8 July 2020.

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Photo of Andrew RT Davies Andrew RT Davies Conservative 7:14, 8 July 2020

I welcome the opportunity to move the amendment in my name in this group, amendment 3. We'll also be supporting the first amendment Plaid Cymru have tabled today, but not supporting the second amendment that Plaid have, and I'll go on to explain why that's the case. I could be really Churchillian and try and appeal to the Government benches to support us in our amendments before the Chamber today, but I seem to remember from committee stage that we had very little luck. But I do think that they are worth putting down at Stage 3, in particular the ability to make sure that training exercises undertaken by circus animals could not be turned into a fee-paying source of income for circuses. Because, at the moment, there is a loophole in the Act, which was evidenced in information given to us at the committee stage, Stage 1, by various organisations that said, 'Yes, this piece of legislation would actually stop animals being displayed in the ring for entertainment purposes', but there was a risk that animals could still travel with that circus into Wales and ultimately go through a training routine outside of the ring that could generate fee income for the circus—for owners and circus exhibitors.

As Llyr, the Plaid Cymru spokesperson said, this has been tossed around now since 2006, with the first statement of opinion. Surely it makes sense that, if we're going to put a piece of legislation through the Welsh Parliament, we try and curtail any loopholes that have been pointed out to us in the expert evidence that we, in committee, took. And so I do hope that Members will be able to support amendment 3 in this particular grouping, because it doesn't seek to transform the Bill, it seeks to enhance the Bill and close any loopholes that might, in future, offer an income stream for circus owners when they come into Wales with the animals that they might bring with them. It seems a perfectly logical exercise in doing this, and I do hope that the Government will desist from opposing this particular amendment, seeing as it's based on the evidence that the committee took.

We will not be supporting the second amendment that Plaid Cymru have put down, again because the evidence clearly highlighted that there did need to be a transition stage, from when the legislation came into force, for the circus owners then to find suitable homes and accommodation for these animals, these wild animals, that, ultimately, need to have their welfare considerations taken into account. And, again, that was evidenced at Stage 1. I can sympathise with Llyr's making the point that it would be better to try and do it as quickly as possible, but the reality is that we are talking about living animals and they do have welfare considerations that, when this legislation is enacted, it does need to be giving breathing space to allow suitable accommodation and future homes for them. And that's why we will not be supporting that amendment. Therefore, I move amendment 3 and call on the Welsh Parliament to support amendment 3, standing in my name, in this group.