I very much welcome what Helen Mary said, particularly in terms of the strong and principled position behind devolution of benefits, and the ability it would give us to look at some innovative ways forward, such as the universal basic income, which I know is very interesting to very many people, and offers all sorts of possibilities.

Huw Irranca-Davies, I think, was very strongly saying that we need the power here in Wales to get the system that would really deliver for our communities, and the closer it is—the benefits system—to Wales, then obviously, the more ability we have to do that, and obviously, that's the essential case, and I think Huw put it very forcibly and effectively.

Delyth Jewell mentioned stigma, which is such an issue, isn't it? And we know from Citizens Advice—that I know Delyth mentioned her previous involvement with—that with recent work that they've done, it shows that that is a continuing problem, it's one of the real barriers in terms of getting people to claim what they're entitled to, and there's also a lack of awareness in terms of what people may be eligible for. So, we really do need that campaign to raise awareness and to increase take-up, and that's been a strong call from so many people for so long. We have seen developments that have helped raise awareness and increase take-up, but obviously, there is still much to do, and the organisations working on the ground continue to highlight that.

In terms of what the Minister had to say, I think we do all recognise, of course, that a great deal of hard work has gone on through the pandemic, and that's been so crucial and so welcome, and none of us would not want to fully recognise that. I think one thing it does show—and I think the Bevan Foundation has been keen again to highlight this—is that there is a lot that Welsh Government and local authorities already do in terms of what we would broadly call benefits—some of them cash, and some of them in lieu of cash—in Wales. We've shown that through the pandemic, Welsh Government and local authorities can deliver effectively, and I think that should really give us greater confidence that we could do likewise with more devolution and more power over benefits here in Wales.

There are some problems, and I know that the Bevan Foundation, for example, feels that more could be done in Wales to have a coherent, comprehensive approach, so that there were common eligibility requirements for different benefits. You could have one form for a number, rather than separate forms, and they feel that some of this work could be done between Welsh Government and local authorities now to help over the course of what's likely to be a very difficult winter, and that would be very important work, paving the way for a more devolved benefits system in the longer run.

But I very much welcome what the Minister had to say about continuing to look at this further devolution and recognising the case, because I think in a nutshell, many of us as Members of the Senedd would know from our week in, week out constituency surgeries just how pernicious many of the effects of the UK benefits system are and just how much improvement is necessary and could quite easily in some cases be achieved through better administration and more unified administration, leaving aside the matter of greater funding.

So, I think in closing, Dirprwy Llywydd, there's much work yet to be done on this, but there's a great deal of common ground in terms of the views across the Chamber, and I think that should be very encouraging for Welsh Government, together with the work that they've effectively done along with local authorities through the summer in delivering important benefits. We can and should do more, and I hope very much Welsh Government moves forward on that basis. Diolch yn fawr.