Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:59 pm on 16 September 2020.
Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions. I think there was a great deal of common ground in what we heard in the Chamber and remotely today. Mark Isherwood mentioned the importance of lived experience and I don't think there's any Member who would not agree with that. It is absolutely crucial; it's becoming increasingly common as a feature in the way that we develop and shape services, and that certainly should be applied more to the benefits system. Mark also mentioned the importance of the assessment process, whoever's doing it, as I think Mark put it, but I think surely the point is that in terms of the ability of Welsh Government and the Senedd to shape what happens in Wales, it would be very good for us to be able to shape that assessment process and make sure that it really did reflect the lived experience of people here in Wales. If we have little control over it, then obviously there's not a lot we can do apart from writing to UK Government and making recommendations that Welsh Government seeks to pressurise UK Government in terms of what isn't currently devolved, and I'm sure many of us would like to do a lot more than that.