Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:30 pm on 6 October 2020.
Diolch, Chair. I absolutely recognise many of the concerns raised around scrutiny of LCMs and the short timescales that we've had to do this that many Members have raised today. I said in my opening remarks that this is not ideal.
We have achieved a significant constitutional step forward through this Bill to extend the legislative competence of the Senedd in relation to the Welsh zone, and several Members recognised that today. Coupled with the wider powers that are included in the Bill, this will enable us to manage our Welsh fisheries better and to deliver our future fisheries policy, and we are absolutely committed to providing a bespoke Welsh fisheries Bill. I am sorry that we haven't been able to do it in this term due to the recent constraints of the legislative programme, and clearly with COVID-19 as well, that's had a significant impact.
On questioning about why I'm taking what the UK Government say, I think one area that is different, very much, in relation to fisheries as compared with agriculture, which Llyr Huws Gruffydd raised, is that there is such a long-standing relationship around fisheries with the UK Government. So, every December, all Ministers—Scotland, Northern Ireland, myself and the UK Government—attend the December council in Brussels. So, there has been for many, many years that agreement and that long-standing relationship. So, I've shared all the correspondence with committees and I will continue to do so to provide that reassurance.
If I can just turn to some of the points raised by Members, I am intrigued as to why Janet Finch-Saunders is so obsessed with the level of staffing in my department. As I told you, I think, recently in a written question that you asked me, that is a matter for the Permanent Secretary and I've asked the Permanent Secretary to write to you with regard to staffing.
Both Jenny Rathbone on behalf of the CCERA committee and Mick Antoniw as Chair of LJC committee spoke about the sunset clause. I committed to making my own report to the Senedd on the implementation of the provisions in the Bill that relate only to Wales until such time as a Welsh fisheries Bill is introduced, and I did that on the recommendation of the CCERA committee. And as I've said, it's not my intention to have these powers in a UK Bill for any longer than is necessary. We do need to ensure that we have the necessary toolkit in place to manage the challenge that Brexit poses, and now COVID-19, for our fisheries industry, so we need to retain those powers in this UK Bill.
And talking about that double challenge, Joyce Watson raised concerns around the interests of small fisheries and whether they will be protected. I'm very concerned about the impact of a 'no deal' Brexit, which is becoming more and more apparent as the months go on, that there is not that trade deal that we need. We know our fleet's dependence on access to the EU markets—our closest neighbours; 0.5 billion people—and we also recognise the impact the closure of the EU markets due to COVID-19 has had on the industry, and we have provided £0.5 million of bespoke support to the sector.
But, I reiterate, this Bill will provide us with the powers to better equip and manage our fisheries in the future, irrespective of what happens with those negotiations.