9. & 10. Debate: The General Principles of the Renting Homes (Amendment) (Wales) Bill and the financial resolution in respect of the Renting Homes (Amendment) (Wales) Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 7:49 pm on 13 October 2020.

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Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour 7:49, 13 October 2020

Thank you very much. Could I first of all, as a member of the committee, just thank my colleagues on the committee and the Chair, and also the witnesses, for what has been some really, really interesting and thorough, as this committee always does, evidence that we've taken, trying to get this balance right on the security of tenure for tenants and, also, the balance of rights for landlords as well? And, in speaking on this debate, strongly, I have to say, in support not only of the general principles, but of getting on with this for reasons I'll come to in a moment, I also declare an interest because I am a landlord myself. I've been a tenant many times as I've moved around the country. I'm a landlord, a bit like Mandy was saying, by accident—it's family circumstance. I think there'll be lots of my constituents who are in the same boat, who, perhaps through bereavement, perhaps through a bequest or whatever, have a single property.

But where I would disagree with Mandy is I actually think the proposals within the Bill are broadly correct. I look forward to further debate on this, but I think they're broadly correct, because what we've had for a long, long time is an undue balance towards the power of the landlord, and there are lots of good landlords out there, but tenants have been powerless and, on this secure tenancy, we've made such great strides in Wales, not least with the rent smart approach, which I think has really caused a lot of landlords to step up to the mark and take seriously the responsibilities. But this Bill, I have to say, takes it further as well, but I look forward to the wider debates coming forward on it.

But, Minister, I'm going to give you a slight curve ball, because whilst I agree entirely with what the committee has brought forward and many of David Melding's remarks and others here today and the Chair of the committee, I want to take to a slightly left-field issue, and it's to do with what else this Bill will do. And the reason I say this is because I just want to thank Electrical Safety First for sitting down with me virtually and going through some of their big support for this Bill, I have to say, because they want to see this taken through at a rate of knots and being put in place, but also what they see this doing in terms of the fitness for human habitation measures that were found in the original Renting Homes (Wales) Act and what this could now do, actually, for electrical safety if we get on with it and if we do it right. The background to this, of course—by the way, Minister, I have to say I'm hoping for a positive response from you, because the key external affairs person for Electrical Safety First in Wales happens to live in my own town, so they've been knocking on my door—is because, of course, we know that 62 per cent of domestic fires are caused by electricity, and this Bill carries significance in the human habitation measures not only for social landlords and for private landlords, but also for what it does in terms of that wider issue of safety. So, the asks in terms of electrical safety are, one, from the ESF that Members of the Senedd support this Bill and that any delays, frankly, to ensuring that electrical safety checks, which are part of these human habitation measures, are not delayed any further, that they're implemented as soon as possible. They do ask as well, Minister, that the Welsh Government actually produces some clear timeline on implementation for the mandatory electrical safety checks that we're still waiting for, and I think this progressing fast will allow us to do this. I wonder if the Minister would be able to respond to that issue around the timeline for those safety checks, as well, but, of course, not waiting to do this, because meanwhile, actually getting on with vulnerable home owners having home safety visits by the established mechanisms of fire and rescue services, and that they provide references to care and repair services, for example, where there are electrical hazards identified, needs to be resolved as well.

So, Minister, I'm fully supportive in speaking in the general principles debate on this Bill. I don't see the difficulty in bringing forward these measures before the whole Bill that we've put in place has been enacted. It's very unusual, I have to say, but I think it's right, because we've spotted things that do need to be dealt with, but, in doing so, can we also look at those issues around the fitness for human habitation measures, and particularly those within electrical safety, because we know it leads to deaths? If we can get this right, we will be saving lives as well as dealing with this issue of the balance of security of tenure for tenants and with landlords. Thank you very much.