Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:23 pm on 17 November 2020.
I'd like to thank the Deputy Minister for his statement today and for the technical briefing that he provided to us as opposition Members yesterday. I'd also like to thank his officials. It was very helpful and very enlightening. Of course, this is a very wide-ranging set of proposals. I think we all need to take time to consider them properly and to respond to the consultation, but they are ambitious, and we very much, on the Plaid Cymru benches, welcome that. And I'd associate myself with everything the Minister said about we've got to do things differently, and nobody thinks that's going to be easy. There will be challenges and there will be difficult and perhaps unpopular decisions to be made.
The work that's been done to prepare this draft will, in our opinion, provide a strong basis for whoever forms the next Government to move this agenda forward, and it is my impression, Llywydd, that the Deputy Minister will get broad support. We might have a difference of opinion about detail, but he will get broad support across this Chamber, and I think that's important. Because to deliver change on this scale may need many Governments and many terms of Government and maybe Governments of different colours, but I think people in the sector and key partners need to understand that we all understand the importance of decarbonising transport and of making sure that our public transport system works.
I have a few specific questions I'd like to raise with the Deputy Minister today—some about the process and potentially the process going forward, but also some specifics about the content. But if the Deputy Minister doesn't have immediate answers, then these are conversations that we will undoubtedly continue to have.
The Deputy Minister in his statement refers to the spirit of the well-being of future generations Act on a number of occasions. Can he tell us this afternoon the extent to which this legislation has provided the legal underpinning for the preparation of this consultation document and the actions within it? It seems to me that, particularly when there are difficult decisions to be made, a clear legal underpinning for where that's coming from can be of assistance.
The documents themselves and the Minister in his statement make reference to accessibility. That term is used in a number of ways, and I would agree that it's obviously crucially important. Can I specifically ask the Deputy Minister if he agrees with me that physical accessibility is still a real barrier for people accessing public transport, whether that's a parent with a pram or people living with a range of physical impairments? We know, for example, how many of our stations you just can't get into because there are so many steps. Can I ask the Deputy Minister if disabled people have been consulted in the preparation of this draft and how he and his officials will ensure that they're enabled to respond to the consultation?
I agree with the Deputy Minister when he says that electric cars won't solve all our problems, but as Russell George has said, they do have a role to play, and electric vehicles will be important, potentially, in rural communities particularly. I welcome the commitment in the draft to an electric vehicle charging plan, and I hear what the Deputy Minister says about not necessarily providing all the infrastructure, but is it the Deputy Minister's intention that the plan will enable an acceleration of the current roll-out, particularly in rural areas? I would put it to the Deputy Minister that we can't really wait for market failure, because we don't know how long it will take for us to know that the market has failed.
Now, I know the Deputy Minister will agree with me that if we are to facilitate behaviour change, we need real transformations in the way in which the modes of active travel and public transport connect with each other. Does he agree with me that the current proposed draft buses Bill will need to be reviewed and strengthened to ensure that it gives whoever forms the next Welsh Government sufficient power over bus services to ensure that bus companies comply with the need for that effective connectivity of modes?
And finally, does the Deputy Minister agree with me that if we are to convince people to get out of their cars—and we've talked a lot about convenience here, but for some people, it's beyond convenience—we have to ensure that both active travel and public transport modes both are safe and feel safe, particularly to potentially vulnerable users? So, can I ask the Deputy Minister what consideration has been given during the preparation of this draft to the importance of ensuring the safety of potentially vulnerable users of active travel modes and public transport, particularly women and girls? I'm thinking, obviously, here, particularly of night-time travel, people returning from late shifts at work, those kinds of issues, where I know that many women are very reluctant to use our current public transport modes, because whether or not they actually are safe, they don't feel very safe to use.