Anyone who looked at the wording of the motion today would be wondering what all the fuss was about, because there doesn't seem to be much between the amendment and the Government's motion, but, if you listen to the words of the Minister, what she's talking about is a Government that needs to live within its means, and the Welsh Government does need to live within its means on this. Historically, where we've got issues that pervaded prior to devolution, then I think it's right that the UK Government takes its role seriously in resolving those issues. This is an issue, as Delyth has already said, that is something that existed long before devolution came about, and, in order to address and to remediate those tips in my constituency, a significant amount of public money is needed, which goes beyond that which the UK Government has estimated.

I take very seriously the issues in Bedwas, for example. I've met with the local authority and with Natural Resources Wales to talk about the number of tips in my constituency. So, we've got over 20 local authority owned tips in the Caerphilly constituency, and there are over 20 privately owned tips, and, in their current status, it isn't as frightening as it sounds, that number, because some are engineered and landscaped, reclaimed—Penallta country park is based on one—and some are unreclaimed. The local authority owned tips are covered by a risk-based inspection and a maintenance regime, which more than satisfies Caerphilly county borough's statutory responsibility. So, for example, today, Bedwas is inspected on a monthly basis, and, for today, I would imagine that, with the weather as it is, Caerphilly council will be inspecting Bedwas tip today. I've spoken to many people in Bedwas, and the general reaction is: 'We need to leave that tip as it is. We don't want to touch it.' That's the kind of reaction we get in the community. They know that to remediate it would cost a vast amount of money, which is currently beyond the means of the Welsh Government and which I do believe the UK Government needs to provide. Those inspection regimes continue.

There aren't any safety concerns with any of the local authority tips—the Caerphilly council tips—at the moment, even where they are in that higher risk category, and, as I say, they are inspected on a monthly basis. But the maintenance of the privately owned tips is a concern, because, under the tips Act 1969, it's the responsibility of the landowner. In discussing this with Caerphilly council, I learned that they can step in under their emergency powers where they've got those concerns, but that is a grey area as to what they can do and how they could step in. So, we do certainly need clarity there.

But, fundamentally, my argument would be that this is a pre-devolution era issue, and, just as with contaminated blood, for example, we need the UK Government to take the action that is still bound with them, and they are falling short at this point in time. However, listening to the Minister, I do feel encouraged by some of the conversations that she's said she's had with the UK Government. I sincerely hope they bear fruit. The Welsh Government has taken a great deal of steps and Caerphilly council is doing a great deal of work, but, without that significant input from the UK Government, that won't be sufficient in the longer term. So, we look forward to hearing more from the Minister about the progress she's making in those discussions.