The Protection of Marine Life

2. Questions to the Minister for Rural Affairs and North Wales, and Trefnydd – in the Senedd on 13 October 2021.

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Photo of Samuel Kurtz Samuel Kurtz Conservative

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1. What discussions has the Minister had with the Minister for Climate Change regarding the priority given to the protection of marine life in deciding the Welsh Government's fisheries policy? OQ57001

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:18, 13 October 2021

I have regular discussions with the Minister for Climate Change, and we are working across portfolios to develop the joint fisheries statement to set out policies for sustainable fisheries management to deliver the fisheries objectives. This will include our commitment to the delivery of an ecosystem-based approach to fisheries management.

Photo of Samuel Kurtz Samuel Kurtz Conservative

Thank you, Minister. You will be delighted to hear, I’m sure, that I’ve been recently appointed the Atlantic grey seal champion, and last week I enjoyed a meeting with the Marine Conservation Society on Tenby north beach to discuss some of the challenges that these creatures face from human actions while undertaking a beach clean. At this time of year the Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire coastline sees many new-born seal pups venturing forth for the first time into the wild Atlantic ocean, but, sadly, one of the main threats to these amazing creatures is the pollution created by marine traffic. With the responsibility for protecting our marine wildlife falling under your colleague the Minister for Climate Change, and the responsibility for fisheries within your own portfolio, can you detail what action you and your ministerial colleague are taking to ensure that the future of these welcome visitors to our coastline are safeguarded for generations to come?

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:19, 13 October 2021

Well done on being appointed the Atlantic grey seal champion. You should have a little competition with your colleague Darren Millar how many times you can say what you're champion for in the Chamber. [Laughter.] I think it's been very lovely to see how many seal pups we have seen around our coast over the summer. Going back to your specific question about the conversations that the Minister for Climate Change and I have around our policies, it is really important that we make sure that, for instance, all our designated features within our marine protected areas are assessed against any potential harms from activities such as those you referred to.

Photo of Joyce Watson Joyce Watson Labour 2:20, 13 October 2021

Protection of the marine environment is something that I've been championing for many, many years, and one particular issue that I've raised in the Chamber on a number of occasions is the reintroduction of scallop dredging in a small area of Cardigan bay, a special area of conservation, and the impact on marine life in that area. Minister, it's been several years now since this activity was restarted, and I'm keen to know what assessment has been carried out with regard to the environmental impact of scallop dredging on this site since it was reintroduced in 2016.

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour

Thank you, and I can reassure Joyce Watson that dredge fishing for scallops is highly regulated in Welsh waters, and that includes through spatial restrictions as well. We closely monitor the activity. We take enforcement action wherever necessary, and this is principally done by tracking vessels using the vessel monitoring systems that we have on our fisheries patrol vessels, which include the Rhodri Morgan, for instance, and also through port and harbour-based inspections by our marine enforcement officers. And each year before the scallop fishery reopens, the Welsh Government conducts a comprehensive habitats regulatory assessment, and that is only done with further agreement from Natural Resources Wales.

Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour 2:21, 13 October 2021

Could I first of all, just as the salmon champion of the Senedd, ask the seals to play gently? [Laughter.] But I have a particular interest, as the Minister knows, in the partnership working that underpins both fisheries and marine management, the exploitation, sustainably, of our natural resources, alongside the ecosystem approach, which she rightly said would form the basis of Welsh Government thinking. So, I wonder whether she is taking the time to look at the effective working of both the national and the local groups—the Wales marine action and advisory group, but also those that underpin it on a local basis—to make sure that we've got that balance right, that all voices are being heard, and that there's an effective partnership. It's been quite a few years now since they've been put in place, so it seems that it's an appropriate time to say, 'Are they working effectively, are they getting the balance right for nature and also for sustainable exploitation?'

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:22, 13 October 2021

Thank you. I haven't had any discussions, certainly with this part of the portfolio; I would imagine the Minister for Climate Change, that would now fall within her remit. But I think it is really important that we work with the groups, such as you suggest, because if we're going to get good environmental status, for instance, for our waters, which we are trying to achieve at the moment, we really need to listen to what these people are telling us and what work is being carried out. But I will ask the Minister for Climate Change to update you.