5. The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 5) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 19) Regulations 2021

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:09 pm on 9 November 2021.

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Photo of Jane Dodds Jane Dodds Liberal Democrat 5:09, 9 November 2021

Good evening, Minister. Firstly, I'd like to make clear my concerns at the high COVID rates here in Wales, and I totally agree that COVID has not gone away. We have all been willing to accept during the course of the pandemic what would in normal times be unpalatable, restrictive and illiberal measures, such as lockdown, mandatory face masks and so on, but these are measures that have been proven to work and have saved lives. You will not be surprised to hear that I continue to object to the use of vaccine passports for the following five reasons, and I'll briefly outline them.

First and foremost, it's about the lack of evidence here in Wales. I have been presented, and still have been presented, with no evidence that vaccine passports work to reduce transmission or to improve the uptake of the vaccine. Whilst the public health challenge remains clear, the Welsh Government have failed to produce the evidence to prove that they are working. The Minister must have access to the test, trace and protect data since the introduction of COVID passports on 11 October, and I have written to the Minister to request this information and have yet to receive a response. I am open to hearing that evidence, as I can hear others are as well, when the Minister can provide that.

I'd like to challenge Plaid Cymru on this issue too. Just over a month ago, as we've heard, Plaid Cymru voted—like me—against domestic vaccine passports, because as Rhun ap Iorwerth said in the Chamber, the evidence was not forthcoming. I am still unclear what evidence Plaid Cymru have from Wales that COVID passes are lowering transmission and that they encourage the take-up of vaccines. And as for my colleagues in the Conservative Party, it seems that their opposition to vaccine passports is rooted far more in opportunism than principle, given that Boris Johnson himself toyed with this very idea.

The second reason I will not be supporting this are the people who will be definitely affected negatively: those who are working in the arts sector. Their predominant concern is that costs will increase due to the extra layer of door staff needed to check COVID passports upon arrival, but with little to no financial help being available. I was contacted by a Plaid Cymru community councillor in the region of Mid and West Wales, whose local community-run cinema is likely to be forced to close due to the disproportionate pressure being put on volunteers who run the cinema to police COVID passports.

My third objection to vaccine passports is the matter of principle. Quite simply, I don't think that people should have to provide medical data to a complete stranger who is not their clinician.

The fourth reason is that there is no end to this, no deadline. The Welsh Government are leaving open the possibility of extending vaccine passports to even more hospitality settings. So, it does beg the question: when will it end? Are the Welsh Government considering widening the scope of vaccine passports to include cafes and restaurants? Are there other venues and sectors that we will be considering in four weeks' time?

Lastly—you'll be glad to hear—it is my view that these measures demonstrate poor law making on the part of the Welsh Government. There is no sunset clause.

I am aware that the vote for the extension will be successful today, unlike the previous vote being passed by accident, by just one vote. Therefore, please could the Welsh Government abide by their mantra, which is about evidence-informed decisions? And could they also outline how they might be able to support the affected businesses and venues financially, so that they are able to stay open? Diolch yn fawr iawn.