2. Business Statement and Announcement

– in the Senedd at 2:32 pm on 16 November 2021.

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Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 2:32, 16 November 2021

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The next item, therefore, is the business statement and announcement. I call on the Trefnydd to make that statement. Lesley Griffiths. 

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour

Diolch, Llywydd. I've added one statement to today's agenda on COP26, which will be delivered by the Deputy Minister for Climate Change. The statements on second homes and affordability and the Welsh language communities housing plan have been postponed. Draft business for the next three weeks is set out on the business statement and announcement, which can be found amongst the meeting papers available to Members electronically. 

Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 2:33, 16 November 2021

Thank you for your business statement, Minister. Can I call for a statement to mark Inter Faith Week? This week is Inter Faith Week, and, of course, faith groups across Wales make a huge contribution to society. I think it would be an opportune time to mark the week if a Government statement was issued. It would also be helpful, I think, in that statement, if you could explain why the First Minister was able to celebrate Diwali, an important Hindu festival, this week without a face covering, while people across the country are still having to cover their mouths in order to sing hymns in places of worship across the country. That clearly is very much a double standard and needs to be addressed. So, I would welcome a statement on these important issues. 

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour

Thank you. I don't think it's appropriate to make a statement, but I certainly would pay tribute to all the organisations that support us as a Welsh Government. You'll be aware of the incredible work that they do with the Minister for Social Justice. I know that you lead prayer meetings every week, and, again, I will say thank you, particularly to David Emery. 

Photo of Luke Fletcher Luke Fletcher Plaid Cymru 2:34, 16 November 2021

I'd like to ask for a statement relating to the Welsh Government's guidance on international travel. Specifically, a constituent in the Llynfi valley recently contracted COVID-19, but has been out of isolation since Tuesday 9 November. She is planning to travel to San Francisco on Wednesday 24 November, but in order to make that journey is in need of medical certification in addition to the COVID pass. She has tried every avenue, and has been signposted by several services to her local GP surgery in Maesteg, but they are telling her that they have not been given any indication that they are able to provide medical certification by higher authorities. I can imagine this is an issue not just for my constituent in the Llynfi valley, but also for a number of people who are looking to travel. It seems to me that the relevant services are not communicating with each other at the moment, and I'm not aware of any specific guidance from the Welsh Government to the NHS in Wales about issuing letters or medical certificates for the purpose of travel. Both myself and my constituent in the Llynfi valley would greatly appreciate guidance from the Minister for health as soon as possible.

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:35, 16 November 2021

The Minister for Health and Social Services did issue a written statement, I think it was last week, on international travel. I will certainly ask her if there is anything further with specific regard to the query that you raise, and, if there is, I will ask her to do a further written statement.

Photo of Mike Hedges Mike Hedges Labour

I would like to ask for two statements, the first on the Welsh Government's policy on outsourcing—directly or by Welsh Government-funded bodies in Wales, such as Sport Wales. I am opposed to outsourcing, because I believe there is a serious danger of either a reduction in the quality of provision, or a reduction in the terms and conditions of those employed, or often both.

I would also like a statement on IT upgrades for Welsh Government-funded organisations. It is the view of the Senedd Commission that it can be more difficult to install security upgrades on older computers; they find that older laptops also fail on a more regular basis, causing disruption. They say their way of working is in line with industry best practice. Their definition of an older computer is one that is five years old. How many computers in Welsh Government-funded organisations are over five years old, and what programme have you got to upgrade them?

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:36, 16 November 2021

Thank you. With regard to your first query, around outsourcing, we're keen to explore where services and contracts can sustainably and affordably be brought back into a strengthened public sector. It's one of our programme for government commitments, and we are expecting delivery of that at an early stage in this governmental term, certainly looking at year 2, I would say—2022-23. We'll continue to work with stakeholders, and clearly we have a social partnership Bill team to ensure consistency of approach with the Bill.

In relation to your second question, I'm not quite sure how many computers are over the age of five years—certainly, my personal one is a lot older than that. It is really important that we have a digital strategy, and the Member will be aware of our digital strategy, which we published in March, just before the election. That does set a very clear vision and ambition for a co-ordinated digital approach here in Wales.

Photo of Natasha Asghar Natasha Asghar Conservative 2:37, 16 November 2021

Minister, may I ask for a statement from the Deputy Minister for Climate Change on the importance of the logistics industry in our everyday lives? The logistics industry is worth over £127 billion to the UK economy, but its true value is in the role it plays in making sure we get everything we need—from those all-important toilet rolls to turkeys on our tables, and, in the name of equality, nut roasts for those of you who are vegetarians and vegans amongst us. As such, it is fundamental to the way that we live our lives. Last week, I met with representatives of the Road Haulage Association to hear what is being done to encourage people into the industry as a career choice, and, in particular, for young people, to show the vast range of employment opportunities in the logistics sector, including administration, driving, warehouse work, workshop work, and also management. During the visit, they expressed the view that the Welsh Government does not appreciate the work that they do, which is demonstrated by the failure to appoint anyone from the industry to the roads review panel. May I ask for a statement from the Deputy Minister that recognises the importance of the logistics industry to the Welsh economy, and what action is he taking to support this vital sector of the economy, to ensure fairness and equality actually exist in the decision-making process right here in Wales? Thank you, Minister.

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:38, 16 November 2021

The Welsh Government certainly appreciates our logistics industry. Clearly, the pandemic showed the vulnerabilities of it, and Brexit, unfortunately, has had a significant impact on it. I think the UK Government need to really get a grip of the logistics issues that we are facing. They've come forward with stop-gap measures; I'm aware they've written, I think, to everybody who holds a HGV licence to see if they can encourage them back in. You'll be aware that we've just recently held Blas Cymru, and, obviously, the food industry and sector here in Wales absolutely relies on our logistics staff. It was good to see some of them represented there. It's how we make it attractive for it to be a career option and an opportunity. So, again, within my portfolio, from the food section, we're certainly doing a great deal of work, but I know the Deputy Minister certainly does value the industry very much.

Photo of Heledd Fychan Heledd Fychan Plaid Cymru 2:39, 16 November 2021

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Trefnydd, over the past fortnight, I have raised twice with the Minister for health the concerns of those with autism and their families regarding the COVID pass. Even though the COVID guidelines were updated last week to state that locations should be available to those who can't take lateral flow tests, this isn't strong enough as compared to the system in England. The Government's website states that you are still updating the system that will update the COVID pass automatically, to note that people can't be vaccinated for medical purposes. Can we have a statement and clarity from the Minister on this situation, please, including a timescale in terms of when this system will have been updated, and when more detailed guidance will be available to ensure access to venues for those who can't take LFTs and can't be vaccinated? 

May I also ask the Minister for Climate Change for an update on the inconsistency that we see in terms of Transport for Wales services, in terms of announcements with regard to the importance of wearing face coverings? I have received several complaints from people being very concerned that they don't feel safe on the trains at the moment, and I would be grateful to know what is being done to ensure that the announcements are consistent and that the messages are entirely clear in terms of how vital these are. Thank you. 

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:41, 16 November 2021

Thank you. In relation to your first question, I am aware that work is in progress around the COVID pass in the way you suggest. So, I will ask the Minister for Health and Social Services to issue a written statement when that work has been completed. 

With regard to your second point, I think it is absolutely vital that Transport for Wales continue to have announcements and to ensure that people are wearing face coverings. I know the Deputy Minister for Climate Change is certainly working with Transport for Wales around that. I came down by train yesterday from north Wales. I had to ask the conductor to remind people that a mask was mandatory in Wales, because you'll appreciate coming down from Wrexham you cross into England. I have to say, when he asked people, they all put their masks on, every single one of them. So, people are making the choice, or maybe they don't know it's mandatory in Wales. So, it is absolutely vital that announcements are made on our trains to ensure that people are aware it's mandatory and law here in Wales. 

Photo of Vikki Howells Vikki Howells Labour 2:42, 16 November 2021

Thank you, Trefnydd. I'd like to request two statements, please, from the Minister for health. Firstly, Wednesday is World COPD Day, and across Wales over 76,000 people live with COPD, which can have a considerable impact on a person's quality of life. Constituencies like mine, with an industrial heritage, have above-average rates. So, can we have a statement on how the Welsh Government is supporting people in Wales with this condition?

Secondly, Thursday marks a year since the World Health Organization launched a global strategy to accelerate the elimination of cervical cancer as a public health issue. Working with Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, I tabled a statement of opinion welcoming this anniversary. But could we have an update on Welsh Government interventions to eliminate cervical cancer? And what in particular is being done to improve access to cervical screening? 

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:43, 16 November 2021

Thank you. As you say, today we do mark World COPD Day. It's an opportunity to highlight the impact of COPD and consider the impact that the pandemic is also having on people with COPD. We're very much committed to improving care and outcomes for people living with this condition, and we've got a number of nationally led programmes in place. We've also announced £240 million of in-year funding to support NHS recovery, and that includes £1 million for chronic condition management in primary care. It's really important that people with COPD make use of the COPD app that's currently being developed here in Wales by the NHS, as I think that will help both individuals who have the condition and also the NHS work together better. 

In relation to your second point around cervical cancer, as you say, it's a year on Thursday since the WHO committed to eliminate cervical cancer as a public health issue, and we fully support their strategy to have elimination of cervical cancer by 2030. We know that will be achieved by vaccination, by screening, and by the treatment of pre-cancerous lesions. We're really proud that Cervical Screening Wales was the first UK cervical screening programme to fully roll out high-risk HPV testing as a primary scheme back in 2018. And since 2008, girls here in Wales aged 12 and 13 have been offered the HPV vaccine. We know that that combination of immunisation and screening is really having a positive impact, and I think it's down to us all to make sure we encourage our constituents to take full advantage of that screening. 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 2:44, 16 November 2021

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And finally, Laura Jones. 

Photo of Laura Anne Jones Laura Anne Jones Conservative

Diolch, Llywydd. Thank you, business Minister. I'd like to call for a statement by the Minister for education given the recent news and worrying news that teachers are being recorded during lessons and that the footage is being uploaded to the social media platform TikTok. It is a situation that is getting out of hand, and I'm aware of many schools now having written to parents to increase awareness of what is going on. It is becoming increasingly apparent that governments need to take action now, working with social media organisations, to crack down on offensive videos aimed at teachers. Teachers across Wales have been targeted with defamatory and offensive videos posted by these pupils on TikTok. This is causing significant concern among teachers and school staff. Teachers do a wonderful job educating our children. We are all to quick to praise the job that they do. Their role in schools needs to be a safe space for them, as well as the pupils. So, could the Minister make a statement on how the Government is looking to help our education providers combat this, and to clarify what guidance you will issue to teachers to try and help them in this regard?

Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:46, 16 November 2021

Thank you. It's completely unacceptable that teachers are facing such behaviour. There are behaviours such as creating hoax accounts, for instance, that can cause great harm, and they have a devastating impact on individuals. I know that the Minister has liaised with the UK Council for Internet Safety to ensure that we have a co-ordinated approach across the UK on this matter, and the UK CIS has contacted TikTok regarding this issue.

We have also updated our guidance on viral challenges to show the support available to teachers in order to be able to protect their well-being. As colleagues, I'm sure, are aware, it's Anti-Bullying Week this week, so we are working with the office of the children's commissioner to promote the range of classroom resources that are available on the Hwb to support respectful behaviour online. But, I do think that it's absolutely critical that social media platforms recognise their responsibility and their duty of care to their users.