Group 14: Information sharing (Amendments 101, 102)

– in the Senedd at 6:34 pm on 21 June 2022.

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Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:34, 21 June 2022

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We will restart, with group 14. This group of amendments relates to information sharing. Amendment 101 is the lead amendment in the group and I call on Laura Jones to speak to that amendment—Laura Jones.

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Amendment 101 (Laura Anne Jones) moved.

Photo of Laura Anne Jones Laura Anne Jones Conservative 6:34, 21 June 2022

Diolch, Llywydd. I want to speak to both amendments in this group. Whilst amendment 101 is merely what I see as a necessary technical amendment, amendment 102 is being resubmitted in order to try, again, to amend section 128 in accordance with one of HEFCW's suggested amendments, by broadening the definition of application-to-acceptance information within the Bill to make sure that we cover all our bases with regard to consultation. Diolch.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:35, 21 June 2022

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The Minister to reply.

Photo of Jeremy Miles Jeremy Miles Labour

Diolch, Llywydd. I can't support amendment 101, as it is unnecessary, in fact. As set out in section 6 of the Legislation (Wales) Act 2019, words and expressions listed in the table in Schedule 1 to that Act are to be interpreted according to that table, where they appear in an Act of Senedd Cymru. 'Secretary of State' is defined in the table as meaning 'one of Her Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State' and would therefore capture any of the Secretaries of State.

I also cannot support amendment 102, as it expands the list of persons who may share information with the commission to include any other person that the commission considers appropriate or that may hold information about any matter in relation to which the commission has a function. The list of persons in section 130 has been developed so as to be appropriately broad to capture all persons who may need to share information with the commission. In addition, the Welsh Ministers may add other persons to the list via regulations. This approach will enable persons to be added to the list in a controlled manner following the necessary consultation and appropriate scrutiny by the Senedd. So, I call on Members to reject these amendments.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:36, 21 June 2022

Laura Jones, do you want to respond?

Photo of Laura Anne Jones Laura Anne Jones Conservative

Diolch, Llywydd. Well, I'm sure that my group and HEFCW will be disheartened to find the amendments rejected by the Minister here. It's confusing why the Minister believes that the commission would not stand to benefit from a wider pool of consultation regarding the exercise of its functions, and I ask the Senedd to take this into consideration.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 101 be agreed. Does any Member object? [Objection.] Yes. We will therefore move to a vote on amendment 101. Open the vote.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Open the vote on amendment 101.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:37, 21 June 2022

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Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, amendment 101 is not agreed.

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Amendment 101: For: 15, Against: 38, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been rejected

Division number 3732 Amendment 101

Aye: 15 MSs

No: 38 MSs

Aye: A-Z by last name

Absent: 7 MSs

Absent: A-Z by last name

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:37, 21 June 2022

Laura Jones, are you moving gwelliant 102?

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Amendment 102 (Laura Anne Jones) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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It's moved. Are there any objections to amendment 102? [Objection.] Yes. We'll therefore move to a vote on amendment 102. Open the vote.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Open the vote on amendment 102.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, amendment 102 is not agreed.

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Amendment 102: For: 15, Against: 38, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been rejected

Division number 3733 Amendment 102

Aye: 15 MSs

No: 38 MSs

Aye: A-Z by last name

Absent: 7 MSs

Absent: A-Z by last name

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:38, 21 June 2022

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Minister, amendment 63—is it moved?

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Amendment 63 (Jeremy Miles) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 63 be agreed. Does any Member object? There are no objections. Therefore, amendment 63 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:38, 21 June 2022

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Amendment 64—is it moved?

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Amendment 64 (Jeremy Miles) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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Are there any objections to amendment 64? No, there are none. Therefore, amendment 64 is agreed.

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.