Can I thank the committee for bringing this report forward, and once again say it shows the power of the Petitions Committee in bringing really important matters in front of the Senedd, and the facility that we have within this Welsh Parliament, Senedd Cymru, to actually articulate the views of people outside of this Chamber itself? It's a great opportunity to debate this. And, in opening my remarks, I also join others in commending the work of families who have campaigned on these issues. We can't understand the tragedy that they've been through, but we can empathise with it, and it's the fear that many of us have as parents and others, if something like this went wrong.

But, the points that I want to raise, in agreeing with much of what is in the report, some of which I'll pick up from Sam in a moment, who does a commendable job in chairing the cross-party group that focuses on outdoor activities and outdoor education—. Of course, we always look at Wales as a country that is full of outdoor adventure and adrenaline, but we have to do it safely, of course, and there is a body of expertise there, Minister, I think. In fact, Minister, you've appeared with that group before and I'm sure you'll want to draw on the expertise within it in taking forward some of these recommendations, because they do specialise in safety in the outdoors, including water safety, and they'd want to contribute. I know they've made it clear that they'd want to contribute to this work going forward, and, I think, to engage with the Petitions Committee and with the families as well. 

There were two specific things that I wanted to pick out of the report that haven't been mentioned extensively in the debate today. One is, in some of the evidence that you gathered, the issue of risk assessment was picked up on. I think that's appropriate. Way back in a previous life, when I was a lecturer, we used to talk about how you manage activity in the outdoors, and we looked at American models like the recreation opportunity spectrum: where you know that you have a high risk, where you have intensive use, where you know that there are going to be youngsters, teenagers, going and canoeing, jumping in, whatever, then you focus your intensive signage and you focus your throw lines and you focus them into those areas, and you make sure they're there. But, there's a difference between that and the top hills of Plynlimon, where there might indeed be an open-water source, and there might indeed be people who go free swimming, but it would seem incongruous to put signage and so on there. So, that idea of risk assessment, site-specific assessment, I think, is very important.

The other thing is to actually pull partners together in taking forward these proposals. We want Wales to be celebrated as a place where you can safely enjoy the outdoors, but I think that aspiration of Water Safety Wales and others to rule out fatalities in these situations is the right aspiration, but we need to think carefully how we do this and we bring partners with real knowledge together to do it.

But, just finally in closing, I commend the work the family has done and the Petitions Committee in bringing this forward. It's a good debate; it's the right debate to have.