But the progressive use of income tax in order to defend public services from Tory austerity is a long-standing socialist position that we espouse in this party, and it's something you used to believe in as well.

You did recognise, in your comments yesterday, the collapse in trust in the pay review body process. How do you intend to rebuild this trust? Do you intend to change the nature of the remit by focusing squarely on what pay levels are necessary to recruit, retain and motivate staff, and leave the question of affordability for politicians to decide? And can you also say whether you're open to the union suggestion that any rise agreed for next year is backdated to January this year? That's a principle that you have accepted in your pay negotiations in Transport for Wales. And are you open to asking the pay review body to revisit its recommendations for this year, made before the huge hike in living costs, and reflect any higher award in a permanent pay rise?