We now move to the next item, the statement by the Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language on the ministerial taskforce on the Valleys. I call on the Minister, Alun Davies.

Thank you, Presiding Officer.

The south Wales Valleys have a strong and proud history. We powered the industrial revolution, we drove the development of the Commonwealth and we were instrumental in all the advances of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. The closure of the ironworks, steelworks and the pits has had a long and lasting impact on the Valleys communities, stretching from the English border to Carmarthenshire.

Lywydd, mae ein cymunedau yn y Cymoedd wedi ysgwyddo baich effaith dirwasgiadau olynol a dirywiadau economaidd. Maent wedi bod ar flaen y gad o ran arbrofion Llywodraeth y DU i ddiwygio lles.

Fel y dangosodd canlyniad refferendwm yr Undeb Ewropeaidd y mis diwethaf, mae llawer o bobl sy'n byw yn ein cymunedau yn y Cymoedd heddiw yn teimlo eu bod wedi’u gadael ar ôl a’u gadael allan. Nid dim ond pleidlais yn erbyn aelodaeth o'r UE oedd hon; roedd hefyd yn bleidlais lle dangosodd pobl eu bod yn teimlo'n ansicr am eu lle yn y byd, eu rhagolygon swyddi, eu hawliau cyflogaeth, a'u dyfodol.

Yn unol â maniffesto'r Blaid Lafur, ac ymrwymiadau a wnaethpwyd yn y cyfnod cyn etholiad y Cynulliad, rwyf heddiw’n cyhoeddi y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn sefydlu tasglu gweinidogol ar gyfer y Cymoedd. Ein bwriad fydd canfod dull newydd o fuddsoddi yn nyfodol ein Cymoedd a fydd yn ymgysylltu â chymunedau lleol ac yn eu grymuso, ac yn adfer ymdeimlad o obaith a dyhead.

Suzy Davies took the Chair.

Rydym eisoes wedi gweld buddsoddiad strwythurol sylweddol yn y Cymoedd, gan gynnwys gan yr Undeb Ewropeaidd. Bydd y tasglu yn adeiladu ar y sylfaen hon, gan weithio gyda phobl sy'n byw yn y Cymoedd, busnesau lleol, llywodraeth leol, y trydydd sector a sefydliadau dinesig i hyrwyddo'r Cymoedd fel rhanbarth i fuddsoddi ynddo ac fel lle i fyw, i gydgysylltu buddsoddiadau presennol yn well, ac i ymdrin â phroblemau hirdymor. Bydd yn gweithio'n agos gyda rhaglenni prifddinas-ranbarth Caerdydd a dinas-ranbarth bae Abertawe a bydd yn ceisio harneisio potensial tirwedd unigryw ac amrywiol y Cymoedd.

Gan ddefnyddio gwybodaeth y sector cyhoeddus a gallu Llywodraeth Cymru i weithredu fel catalydd, bydd y tasglu gweinidogol yn cyfarwyddo ac yn arwain y gwaith o adfywio a sicrhau twf cynaliadwy yn y Cymoedd. Blaenoriaeth gyntaf y tasglu fydd gwrando ar yr hyn sydd ei eisiau ar bobl yn y Cymoedd ar gyfer ein dyfodol. Byddwn yn dechrau sgwrs fanwl am wella ansawdd bywyd, datblygu economaidd ac adfywio, effeithlonrwydd busnes a chystadleurwydd, cyflogaeth a sgiliau, ac, yn olaf, datblygu cynaliadwy.

Bydd y tasglu yn gorff gweithgar ac ystwyth ac nid yn gwango biwrocrataidd. Bydd ganddo nifer bach o aelodau craidd a bydd yn galw ar gyfraniadau gan eraill yn ôl y gofyn. Bydd pob Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet a phob Gweinidog yn rhannu cyfrifoldeb dros wella bywydau pobl sy'n byw yn y Cymoedd. Byddaf i'n cadeirio'r tasglu. Bydd ei aelodau'n cynnwys Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros yr Economi a’r Seilwaith a'r Gweinidog Sgiliau a Gwyddoniaeth. Bydd ganddo hefyd nifer bach o gynghorwyr arbenigol allanol. Byddaf yn rhoi'r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf i'r Aelodau am y penodiadau hyn maes o law.

Mae'n bwysig ein bod yn cydnabod bod y broses o arallgyfeirio economi'r Cymoedd eisoes wedi dechrau. Mae diwydiannau newydd yn cael eu cefnogi ac mae'n rhaid inni barhau i adeiladu ar hyn a sicrhau bod pawb yn elwa, gan greu cyfleoedd newydd mewn cymunedau lleol a sicrhau bod manteision mewnfuddsoddi’n cael eu cadw a'u rhannu yn y Cymoedd.

Mae'r materion a’r heriau sylfaenol sy'n effeithio ar Gymoedd y de yn deillio o goctel gwenwynig o dlodi ac amddifadedd. Bydd y tasglu’n ymateb i’r ystod honno o ddangosyddion economaidd-gymdeithasol negyddol sydd wedi rhoi cynifer o'n cymunedau yn y Cymoedd ar waelod tablau cynghrair iechyd, cyfoeth a lles. Er ein bod ni wedi gwneud cynnydd pwysig yng Nghymru i leihau diweithdra a nifer y bobl sy'n byw mewn cartrefi di-waith, mae rhannau o'r Cymoedd yn parhau i fod â lefelau uchel o anweithgarwch economaidd, lefelau uchel o amddifadedd, a lefelau uchel o ddiweithdra. Mae hyn, yn ei dro, wedi cael effaith ar gyrhaeddiad addysgol ac iechyd hirdymor.

Mae effaith diwygiadau lles Llywodraeth y DU, o gyflwyno'r dreth ystafell wely i doriadau mewn budd-daliadau anabledd, wedi cael ei theimlo gryfaf gan gymunedau yn y Cymoedd. Er na allwn ddadwneud y diwygiadau hyn, gallwn wneud mwy i gefnogi pobl a'u helpu i chwilio am waith urddasol, medrus ac ystyrlon. Byddwn yn gweithio gyda phobl i ymateb i'w hamgylchiadau a'u profiadau yn y byd go iawn. Mae’n rhaid i’r ymagwedd hon gael ei hategu gan fynediad at swyddi, mynediad at wasanaethau o safon uchel a mynediad at gymorth i wella cyflogadwyedd. Rydym yn gwybod bod llawer o bobl a chymunedau yn teimlo wedi’u difreinio, yn ddigalon ac nad ydynt yn cael digon o sylw. Rwyf am i'r tasglu siarad â’r cymunedau hyn a’r bobl hyn, a gwrando arnynt, i ganfod pam y mae pobl yn teimlo eu bod wedi’u gadael ar ôl gymaint gan yr economi ehangach a’r gwleidyddion hynny sydd wedi’u hethol i'w cynrychioli.

Drwy'r tasglu, hoffem weld twf cynaliadwy sy'n ychwanegu gwerth economaidd i'n cymunedau yn y Cymoedd. Rydym am i gyfoeth aros yn yr economïau lleol hynny lle y mae’n cael ei greu, nid llifo i ffwrdd i gymunedau pell, cronfeydd sicrwydd neu gyfrifon banc tramor. Rhaid i adfywiad parhaus Cymoedd y de fod â’i wreiddiau mewn ymagwedd at bolisi economaidd sydd â’r prif amcan o ddileu tlodi. Gallwn helpu i wella safonau byw, iechyd a lles teuluoedd a chyfleoedd bywyd plant drwy sicrhau bod swyddi gwell ar gael i bobl yn nes at adref. Bydd y tasglu’n gweithio ar draws adrannau Llywodraeth Cymru, gyda'r economi, addysg, iechyd a thai, i ysgogi camau i ddiwallu anghenion y Cymoedd wrth iddynt ddatblygu.

Lywydd Dros Dro, nid wyf yn bychanu'r heriau sydd o'n blaenau, yn enwedig o ystyried penderfyniad pobl Prydain i geisio ymadael â’r Undeb Ewropeaidd. Fodd bynnag, ceir brwdfrydedd i gydweithredu a chydweithio, fel y gwnaeth cenedlaethau blaenorol, i ateb heriau heddiw ac i roi dyfodol ffyniannus a diogel i’r Cymoedd. Byddaf yn rhoi’r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf i Aelodau'r Cynulliad wrth i waith y tasglu ddatblygu. Diolch.

Thank you, Minister. Bethan Jenkins.

Diolch. The background to this statement here today, I believe, is a manifesto commitment that the First Minister made in April. But, when he announced this taskforce, he said it was being done, and I quote:

‘to challenge the relentless pessimism that we hear from Plaid Cymru…in the Valleys. To listen to them, you’d think that nothing ever happened here. Well, it’s our job to put them right’.

But, I think it’s less about putting us right than talking to the people of the area and trying to empower them, and their communities, to make decisions for their own lives. How do we know this? As you’ve already said, Minister, it’s because of the referendum result. In spite of billions of pounds of European money flowing into the Valleys, many people looked around them and asked whether their lives had been materially improved.

Of course, we can always point to projects here and there, but has all that money dealt conclusively with the legacy of post-industrialisation? Has is brought an end to high unemployment and an unwell population? Has it really delivered economic opportunity and reduced crime and other anti-social issues? The answer is that it has not. We are still stuck with these issues, as we were 20, 30 or 40 years—or half a century—ago, and it isn’t good enough.

So, the first thing this taskforce needs to be concerning itself with, in my view, is outcomes—how you will measure the success of your efforts. Why not start with the fundamental question: how has this or that policy or initiative improved the lives of the people of the Valleys? It seems to me to be the most elementary question, but probably the most important question here. So, I’d like the Minister to say how outcomes will be measured. I would also like to know whether the criteria for measurement will be decided independently rather than by the Welsh Government, because that’s rather like marking your own work, and, as I’ve already said, people in the Valleys aren’t really buying it at the moment.

I’d also like to know how you intend to start this conversation with people. We’re talking about engagement post Brexit and people being annoyed with politicians. How do you want to talk to people other than the usual suspects? We have to engage with people in their communities if they now tell us that they feel that politicians are distant. How are you going to make sure that that changes in terms of the future?

I’m pleased that the terms of reference refer to delivering opportunity rather than combating poverty. We’ve had the latter for as long as I can remember being an Assembly Member, and it hasn’t worked. I’m firmly of the view that if we really want to deliver jobs, then many of the other issues will look after themselves if we focus on the economic prospects of people in these areas. So, I would like to understand—. I know that Communities First doesn’t just exist in south Wales, but if you are going to be launching this new taskforce, how, then, does it marry into schemes like this and other anti-poverty initiatives that may interweave or conflict with what you are doing in this new initiative?

I think that, rather than seeking—going back to what I was saying at the start—to shoot the messenger, the Welsh Government needs to take a hard look at itself, because it’s not just Plaid Cymru that’s saying that not enough is being done. The Communities, Equality and Local Government Committee reported in June last year, saying that, by the Welsh Government’s lack of progress in reducing poverty, particularly given its long-term commitment investing in the issue, there was deep concern there. So, we need to look at, instead of putting blame on people, treating the symptoms of poverty and tackling the root causes of poverty.

I’d like to know whether, in the wake of the referendum, as you mentioned Brexit at the beginning, the Welsh Government has reviewed the effectiveness of European money that has been spent in the south Wales Valleys area. After all, if it is the provider of funding, rather than deliverer of its intended purposes, then the EU can only shoulder some of the blame if that funding does not lead to significant and measurable improvement. Or, to put it another way, new pavements or a walkway in a town centre won’t deliver jobs in and of themselves—it’s what goes in and around that that counts.

Lastly, I’d like to know what this taskforce will do to break the link between poverty and poor educational attainment. In this party, we’ve pushed for community-focused schools with strong links to families and the wider community, and I think that the Welsh Government must deliver its own manifesto pledge to pilot a new model of community learning centres, providing extended services from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with childcare, parenting support, family learning and community access to facilities built around the school day. There is cross-party support for such a proposal, and we have also pledged to turn schools into community hubs so that they can be open at weekends, they can be open to the community, as opposed to just open at school times, and we can then engage on a wider basis in terms of eradicating poverty in Wales. I don’t disagree with the setting up of this taskforce, but I don’t either want it to be just another piece of work that sits on a bookshelf somewhere and gets forgotten about; I want people in the Valleys areas who feel, often, quite disenfranchised and disengaged to become part of the debate in the future so that we can make devolution work for them and we can make the future of Wales be part of their conversation, not just ours as politicians.

I’m grateful to the Plaid Cymru spokesperson for her response, and I agree with much of it. I certainly agree with the points that you made on outcomes, rather than simply counting what we’re doing. I think all too often in Government, there’s been a temptation to count all the actions that we take and then to declare that a great success because we’ve done a lot. What actually matters is the impact of those actions on the people and communities that we represent. Certainly, I very much agree as well that it would be useful were many of these outcomes to be defined, if you like, not simply by Government, but by others as well, who take a more independent view of this.

When I look at these issues, I don’t simply look at a series of statistics, I understand and appreciate the lives that people live and the impact that our policies sometimes don’t have on those people, and the need to actually make a difference. So, I was very, very clear, I hope, in making this statement that we want to see the eradication of poverty as a key driver for what we do, not simply something that we do when we’re sitting here in Cardiff Bay, or sitting in various taskforces or committees elsewhere—in Cathays Park, or wherever we happen to be—but that we look at all the actions we take as a Government, with the Government acting as a catalyst, bringing people together, and that we establish the eradication of poverty in the south Wales Valleys as a driver of policy, and that that is the benchmark that we take and that we make for all other policy interventions.

The reason why the Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Infrastructure and the Minister for Skills and Science are joining me on this taskforce is to focus in on those wider economic issues and on how we can ensure that we have the human capital and we invest in our human capital to ensure that we do meet those objectives. I certainly will be bringing in my colleagues from across the rest of Government, as necessary and as needed, and bringing in the expertise that we need from elsewhere outside of Government. But, I want to ensure that this taskforce is not, as you put it, something that sits on shelves, wherever they happen to be, but is a taskforce that brings people together to achieve very real results, and we have the opportunity here to do that.

I’m not sure I do completely agree with you in the criticisms that you made about the investments made by the different European programmes. I think they have had a very real impact, and I’ve seen in my own constituency the changes that have been made, both from the building of the A465 Heads of the Valleys road to the renewal of Ebbw Vale, if you like, at the Works site—the investment in the railway, the investment in the college, and the investment in apprenticeships and Jobs Growth Wales, which are having a very real impact on people’s lives. What I’m concerned to do is that we focus in on substance and not simply PR, that we focus in on making real changes, and not simply cosmetic changes, and that we focus in on changing life opportunities for people. That is a very different ambition, and a very different vision from, perhaps, what we’ve seen at different points in the past.

You mentioned the anti-poverty schemes that are already in existence, and we will be bringing together those schemes and we will be reviewing how those schemes are working today and how they will work in the future. The Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Children will be looking at some of those issues, and I expect to join him in reviewing how some of those anti-poverty programmes do work.

Let me finish on this point: you talked about how we engage as politicians and Ministers, and I think you’re absolutely right to focus on that and on our failure, sometimes, to communicate our messages. I was anxious to make this statement before recess so that we can get started on this work as soon as possible. I don’t see this as being simply an exercise in consultation, as perhaps we’ve done at other times in the past; I see this as wishing to stimulate a rich and in-depth and honest discussion with people—the people that we both represent in different parts of the south Wales Valleys. I want to listen actively to what people tell us, because when people talk to us—and we’ve all had conversations on doorsteps over the last few weeks and months—many people have spoken to me about the environment in which they live, whether it’s litter on the streets of Ebbw Vale or whether it’s weeds growing in the streets of Tredegar, or whether it’s fly-tipping above Nantyglo. And these are things which matter to people; it affects their own place, it affects their perception of who they are and they are things that we want to address. So, yes, we will address the large-scale challenges facing us, but we also need to address the places in which we live, and I would never underestimate the importance of that to people, wherever we happen to live in the Valleys.

Can I just remind Members that we’re already halfway through the time allocated to this session? I’d be very grateful if all Members and, in fact, the Minister himself, could keep questions and answers short in order to maximise broad scrutiny of the Government. Thank you very much. Mohammad Asghar.

Thank you very much, acting Deputy Presiding Officer. I also thank the Minister for his statement today. According to the Office for National Statistics, one in eight children in Wales are living in long-term workless households. Many of these children live in the south-east Wales Valleys. Research shows that children living with long-term unemployed parents do less well at school and are at higher risk of being unemployed in later life. Children from better-off families enjoy better health and have higher skills than those from poorer families. So, any strategy to break the cycle of unemployment, poor health and well-being, poverty and lack of educational achievement is to be welcomed. Given the focus on promoting economic development and regeneration, it is vital that the business community is fully engaged with this taskforce. So, can I ask the Minister: what discussion he has had with the private sector for their input into this taskforce?

Similarly, collaboration with the third sector, local authorities and community groups will be important in this case. What consultative procedure with these groups will be adopted by this taskforce?

The aims of this taskforce cross many ministerial boundaries. What targets do you intend to set, and how will you monitor progress across Government in meeting these targets? How will the taskforce co-ordinate its work in conjunction with existing strategies such as the skills agenda in Wales?

Finally, Minister, I know that you intend to chair this taskforce. May I ask what consideration was given to adopting an independent chair with business experience from the private sector to drive forward this initiative? You mentioned a couple of areas in the south-east Wales Valleys. The Minister should know that I travel virtually every week to those Valleys, and they are deprived areas not for jobs only, but since coal and steel have gone—and continuous Labour Governments have been ruling this country. So, nothing has been done so far. There is great potential, Minister, if you start just thinking of certain market towns like Tredegar, Ebbw Vale, Merthyr—they were booming areas in the 1970s and 1980s, and, somehow, there are derelict buildings there now. So, have you thought about it—whether these closed shops can be, you know, reinvigorated so that they can resurface in this part of world with new money and new people to invest in it to make sure our Valleys come to their full glory, where they were only 30 or 40 years ago? Thank you.

I would very gently suggest to the Member that perhaps he reads the statement before he writes his contribution to it. If you had read or listened to my statement, you would have known that we will be consulting with all the different parts of the community that you have listed in your questions. And let me say this to you: it’s a bit rich for any Conservative spokesperson to come here to this Chamber and wring their hands and cry their crocodile tears about the poverty that they’ve created on an industrial scale in these communities.

Let me say this to the Conservative spokesperson: the impact of welfare reforms on communities up and down and across the south Wales Valleys is absolutely extraordinary. I am seeing, in my own constituency, a loss of around £60 million from the pockets of some of the most vulnerable and poorest families in that community. We are seeing that taking place at the moment. You can shake your head, but it’s absolutely true and we’re seeing the impact of it. We’re seeing the impact on those families, on the children whom he cried his crocodile tears about, and we’re also seeing the impact, then, on local businesses and local communities. We are seeing those impacts today, and what this work is designed to do is to alleviate and mitigate the difficulties and the problems, the crisis and the chaos that has been caused by the United Kingdom Conservative Government.

Let me say this: we will, as I’ve said in answer to Bethan Jenkins, be establishing very clear targets. Clearly, the skills Minister is on the taskforce, so she will be fully engaged with this agenda. But, I think, if the Conservatives wish to contribute positively to the work that is being done, they need to start by recognising where we are today and the role that they have played in creating the economic decline that is affecting the people and communities of the Valleys of south Wales.

Before I just ask my question of the Minister, I just wanted to note, and note that this Chamber notes that the UKIP AMs that have been lauding their representation of the Valleys throughout the Assembly elections and have been telling Labour how out of touch they are with the Valleys—

Could we move to questions, please?

[Continues.]—have not even bothered to stay in this Chamber for the discussion on the very future of those Valleys that they seek to represent.

But, can I welcome the statement from the Minister? There’s no doubt that the post-Brexit initiative will now be even more important to the Valleys’ communities of south Wales, as we’ve said. And I’m not going to stand here and repeat everything that’s been said. I agree with a lot of what Bethan Jenkins has said and, clearly, what the Minister has said. There is so much to address; it is a huge agenda and I’m very grateful to the Minister for what he’s setting out.

So, I want to focus on just one particular area that I believe is hugely underutilised in the Valleys, and that is promoting our environment and tourism, including our industrial heritage. I’m very pleased, therefore, that that is a key component of the taskforce agenda. Often, Wales is thought of as being heavily reliant on its natural beauty when we’re looking at developing tourism, and it’s certainly the case in my constituency of Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney that it is blessed with areas of natural beauty. But, of course, it’s extremely rich in its industrial and trade union heritage. We have, for example, the Winding House, the Cyfarthfa Industrial Heritage Centre, the Ynysfach Iron Heritage Centre, and, as we know, Merthyr was at the heart of political reform and the development of trade unionism in the nineteenth century. So, will the Minister confirm that, where the ambitions of the taskforce talk about promoting our environment and tourism, this will very much include our industrial and trade union history, which should be a key part of any strategy, recognising that promoting aspects of our heritage can play a significant role in creating jobs and supporting regeneration?

I’m very grateful to the Member for Merthyr Tydfil for making those points. I think the people of the Valleys of south Wales will take their own view on those Members who appear at election campaigns promising the earth and then when it comes to doing the work, disappear off, whether they’re on holidays or elsewhere, but we’ll allow others to make that judgment—[Interruption.] Oh, here they are—the television’s working in the tea room, obviously. [Laughter.]

The Member makes some very important points in terms of tourism. My little son has enjoyed his ride on the mountain railway in Merthyr and it’s important, I think, that, sometimes, we recognise all that the Valleys have to offer. We live in a part of the world that’s absolutely spectacular by anybody’s estimation. Also in my friend’s constituency, of course, you have that great mountain bike centre, which I drive pass and I’m always tempted to go in on my bike—I’ll do that some point this summer. Also, of course, we have the rich industrial heritage across the way in Blaenavon with Big Pit telling the story of the industrial revolution. I think, sometimes, we don’t fully understand and recognise ourselves that it was the Heads of the Valleys that were the first industrialised community in the world, that we led the development of iron and coal and that, by doing so, we created a community and a culture that is unique and which is something that has not just exported fantastic economic and industrial processes to the world but has also exported a culture to the world as well. That is something that we need to be proud of and it’s something that we will continue to promote, especially today, of course, when we celebrate the sixty-eighth birthday of the national health service. When Aneurin Bevan told Parliament he was going to ‘Tredegarise’ the United Kingdom, he certainly did and he created something that we are all deeply proud of and, on this side of the Chamber, will always nourish and will always defend.

Short questions and answers now, please. Adam Price.

I welcome the statement, and I think he’s right, I think, to connect this with the expression of alienation that crystallised for so many in our communities in the ‘leave’ vote. I’m just wondering whether this is an opportunity for a fundamental rethink, because the pattern that we saw, of course, was heavy ‘remain’ votes in metropolitan areas, and in the old coalfield communities across England and Wales a vote against—communities that feel that they haven’t been connected in to the, sort of, urban prosperity. Not a trickle down, perhaps, but a trickle up has been the model—the concentration of prosperity in the cities, which somehow we would try and connect with the Valleys. Do we need a new model now of economic development? And, as well as the taskforce, could we actually create a more long-term structure, looking at a development corporation for the Valleys? You know, strategies are great, but without structures, you cannot get long-term delivery.

I completely agree with the points that Adam Price has been making. I think this is an opportunity to rethink some of those approaches. I’ve always been very taken by the deep place study on Tredegar, of course, which was published two years ago now. I think we do need to look at that holistic approach to economic development sitting alongside environment, sitting alongside social and sitting alongside energy and community policy as well. I don’t believe that simply by creating work here in Cardiff we solve the problems of unemployment in Merthyr Tydfil or in Glynneath. So, we do need to look hard at how we do that. I very much welcome any contribution the Member would wish to make to that work. Whilst I’m not completely sold on the idea of a development corporation, I recognise that structures and plans and pious hopes will not be made real without a determination and without a means to deliver that vision. I would very much welcome any conversation across the Chamber on how that might be achieved.

I concur with the comments that have just been made that it’s a fundamental rethink that we need in terms of investment strategy but also that long-term durability of investment and turning the thing on its head so that we do see the investment flow into the Valleys.

But I would like to suggest two things. One is that the metro, for me, has always been more than the metro as currently perceived. If we’re going to have real connectivity, it has to be metro plus. It has to be things to do with connecting those communities that will never be on light rails or old-fashioned heavy rails. It is the superfast buses connecting communities—not just up and down, but across communities; it is universal ticketing; and it is affordability as well.

I would also like to say that we need to rethink, to pick up on the idea posed by Adam Price there, how we not only connect people so that they can travel out of the Valleys but come into the Valleys, and that means putting the investment into small businesses and microbusinesses that are rooted in those Valleys and then how we put that long-term investment to grow and grow and grow them with deep roots in those Valleys. Too long we’ve been telling our youngsters, ‘If you want to get on in life, you need to move out.’ Let’s flip it on its head and say, ‘If you want to get on in life, you can stay here and have a prosperous future.’ But my question to the Minister is as simple as this: will he make sure that, in doing so, he doesn’t chuck the baby out with the bathwater, with things such as Flying Start, apprenticeship schemes—although how we are going to sustain the funding for them now with our decision in recent days, I don’t know—with things like the Sony concept there, bringing schools and young people in to teach them about digital industries, driven by the private sector down in Pencoed—how do we build on those sorts of things, and will he be engaging directly with the leaders of local authorities, including those in my areas in Bridgend and Rhondda Cynon Taf?

The answer to the question is ‘yes’, ‘yes’ and ‘yes’. I absolutely agree that this isn’t about throwing babies out with bathwater; this is about building on firm foundations. The Flying Start investments that we’ve made are a key part of that. I’ve seen some of the work that’s been done by Sony in Pencoed and I think that’s a fantastic model for what we want to achieve in the future. A key philosophical basis for the deep place study was about the investment in small businesses, local business, local economy and not simply relying on some major investments alone, although we recognise the work that that can achieve.

In terms of the overall points you make about transport and the metro, I absolutely agree with you. The Valleys have always been north-south, and we need to make sure that they’re east-west as well and that people are able to access work, social opportunities and public services wherever they happen to live, and that means having a robust transport system that isn’t only dependent on rail but is dependent on the interrelationship between rail and bus and other means of transport to ensure that people are able to access all of the opportunities and services available to them.

I’m going to take two more questions as the first question took so long to deal with. David Melding.

Thank you, acting Presiding Officer. I particularly agreed with your emphasis on economic inactivity because this, unfortunately, is one of the main drivers for our relatively low GVA and, indeed, our falling GVA in the last 20 years or so under Governments of both parties in terms of who’s been in power in Westminster. Economic inactivity is not the same as unemployment. Obviously, they often do overlap but they’re not the same things. We’ve had a real problem with people just leaving the labour market completely in our poorer areas and I think we need to focus on this. Secondly, an awful lot of public services that are consumed in deprived areas are done to people and don’t fully involve people, even in terms of employment. I think we need to look at how much of local delivery involves local people. Finally, I think citizens in these areas need to be able to reshape some of their public policies. Obviously, the core that needs to be delivered is unlikely to change in any part of the UK, but there may be particular needs and preferences and we should listen to them. They may not be the same as ours; they may make different decisions.

I’m grateful to David Melding for the points he makes. I absolutely agree with the points made on economic inactivity. I hope these are some of the issues that the future generations Act is designed, or will be designed, to address because we do have issues of inactivity in valley communities. But as you say, they’re not simply the result of unemployment but other reasons as well, and we do need to look at those reasons. We also, of course, need to look at the casualisation, if you like, of the economy, where people are not being able to access high-quality, full-time permanent jobs but are working on zero-hours contracts, working on reduced-hours contracts, working part-time work and are unable to actually sustain the family in a way that they would seek to do. So, there are a number of different challenges there in terms of that wider agenda, and I certainly agree with David Melding that we need to be able to do that.

I was very impressed with the work that TUC Wales did in terms of Better Jobs, Closer to Home in terms of looking at creating work within the Valleys communities and how public procurement can help with that. I think that’s a point that’s been made by Plaid Cymru in the past as well. It’s certainly an issue on which I believe the Government should place considerable emphasis.

Finally, just to test the patience of the Presiding Officer, the issue about listening to people is absolutely essential. That’s why I wanted to make this statement today, prior to recess, so that I can spend some time in the summer listening to people, because very often what we hear on the doorstep isn’t what we hear and what we read from journalists and from politicians who think they know best. I think it’s incumbent upon all of us to not just listen but actively seek to listen and to hear what is being said to us, and not simply to do it as an exercise to tick a box.

And then, finally and briefly, Rhianon Passmore.

I’ll be brief. Thank you. The Valleys communities have indeed borne the brunt of the impact of Tory recessions and Tory economic downturns, without a doubt. Swingeing welfare cuts have already been discussed. In my community, the immoral acts within the bedroom tax have caused huge and great disadvantage. In terms of cutting straight to a question—thank you, acting Presiding Officer—tourism hubs within the city region’s connectivity agenda are absolutely essential in terms of releasing the potential of our beautiful landscapes within the Valleys communities and, so, would the Minister agree with me in terms of how important it is, for instance, that the Cwmcarn scenic drive in my constituency is actually regenerated and rejuvenated as a true vision of what we can do with Valleys communities, and what we can do in terms of regeneration of our Valleys communities?

I absolutely agree. I think the Cwmcarn forest drive is a fantastic resource for all of us, and not just for those of us who live in the Valleys. I know the Cabinet Secretary is in her place and has heard the points that you’ve made. And, certainly, the work that I believe that NRW has been involved with will ensure that Cwmcarn scenic drive is available for people in the future. It’s a very good example of how the environment and the geography and the landscape of the Valleys are something that can provide, not simply enjoyment and pleasure for those of us who live there, but also can ensure that we have an economic impact, and one that we need to harness and use for the future. Thank you very much, acting Presiding Officer.

Thank you.