Group 15. Young persons lacking capacity (Amendment 67)

– in the Senedd at 7:02 pm on 21 November 2017.

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Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:02, 21 November 2017

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The next group and the final group is the group relating to young persons lacking capacity. Amendment 67 is the lead amendment and I call on the Cabinet Secretary to move the amendment.

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Amendment 67 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Kirsty Williams Kirsty Williams Liberal Democrat 7:02, 21 November 2017

Thank you, Presiding Officer. As you say, this is the last group of amendments and the last amendment that we will discuss this afternoon. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank both Darren Millar and Llyr Gruffydd for their contribution to the debate this afternoon. I think we've been able to make real progress and have added value to the legislation by the engagement that we've had across the Chamber.

I would ask Members to support amendment 67. Its purpose is to put it beyond doubt that the regulations that must be made in respect of young people who lack capacity may include reference to a young person’s parent or the representative of the parent. It would allow the regulations to provide for the involvement of parents of young people and their representatives in an appropriate way. 

This would enable the regulations to reflect recent and evolving case law in respect of parental involvement where young people of 16 or 17 lack capacity, including a very, very recent decision at the Court of Appeal, which has led the tabling of this amendment to sit outside the normal processes. But, given the decision by the Court of Appeal, it was necessary to act accordingly, and I hope Members will support the amendment.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:03, 21 November 2017

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We have no speakers, so I'm sure that the Cabinet Secretary doesn't wish to reply. The question is that amendment 67 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 67 is agreed.

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:04, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 43.

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Amendment 43 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 43 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 30, no abstentions, 20 against. Therefore, the amendment is agreed.

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Amendment 43: For: 30, Against: 20, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been agreed

Division number 534 Amendment 43

Aye: 30 MSs

No: 20 MSs

No: A-Z by last name

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:04, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 44.

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Amendment 44 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 44 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 44 is agreed.

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:04, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 45.

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Amendment 45 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 45 be agreed. Does any Member object? Amendment 45 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:05, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 46.

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Amendment 46 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 46 be agreed. Does any Member object? Amendment 46 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:05, 21 November 2017

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Darren Millar, amendment 21. 

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Amendment 21 (Darren Millar, supported by Llyr Gruffydd) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is the amendment 21 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions, 27 against. Therefore, amendment 21 is not agreed. 

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Amendment 21: For: 24, Against: 27, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been rejected

Division number 535 Amendment 21

Aye: 24 MSs

No: 27 MSs

Aye: A-Z by last name

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:05, 21 November 2017

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Darren Millar, amendment 22. 

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Amendment 22 (Darren Millar, supported by Llyr Gruffydd) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 22 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions, 27 against. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed. 

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Amendment 22: For: 24, Against: 27, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been rejected

Division number 537 Amendment 22

Aye: 24 MSs

No: 27 MSs

Aye: A-Z by last name

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:06, 21 November 2017

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Darren Millar, amendment 23. 

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Amendment 23 (Darren Millar, supported by Llyr Gruffydd) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 23 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [Objection.] We'll proceed to a vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions, 27 against. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed. 

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Amendment 23: For: 24, Against: 27, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been rejected

Division number 552 Amendment 23

Aye: 24 MSs

No: 27 MSs

Aye: A-Z by last name

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:06, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 47.

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Amendment 47 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 47 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 47 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:06, 21 November 2017

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Darren Millar, amendment 63. 

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Amendment 63 (Darren Millar, supported by Llyr Gruffydd) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 63 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 63 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:06, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 48.

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Amendment 48 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 48 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 48 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:07, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 49.

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Amendment 49 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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If amendment 49 is not agreed to, amendments 50 and 51 will fall. The question is that amendment 49 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 49 is agreed.

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:07, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 50. 

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Amendment 50 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 50 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 50 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:07, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 51.

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Amendment 51 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 51 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 51 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:08, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 52. 

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Amendment 52 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 52 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 52 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:08, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 53. 

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Amendment 53 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 53 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 53 is agreed. 

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:08, 21 November 2017

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Cabinet Secretary, amendment 25. 

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Amendment 25 (Kirsty Williams) moved.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

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The question is that amendment 25 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 25 is agreed.

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Amendment agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 7:08, 21 November 2017

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We have, therefore, reached the end of our Stage 3 consideration of the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill. I declare that all sections and Schedules of the Bill are deemed agreed, and that concludes today's proceedings. 

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All sections of the Bill deemed agreed.

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The meeting ended at 19:08.