Llywydd, advice to the Welsh Government in 2013 would not have been advice that any Government could have followed because, at that point, we were tied into a franchise over which we had no influence at all. That's why I said that we've had 15 months when we have had the ability, through Transport for Wales, to respond to this issue. That has not proven long enough because new rolling stock promised to Wales by private construction companies simply hasn't been delivered by them. That's not the responsibility of Transport for Wales. It is the responsibility of those companies who contracted to provide that rolling stock and who now tell us that they're not able to deliver, on time, the stock that was promised to us.

Llywydd, from January 2020, there will be fare reductions across the Transport for Wales network. There was no need for any politician to ask for it to happen here in Wales because it was already part of our planned programme of action with Transport for Wales.