9. Statement by the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution: Update on the Constitutional Commission

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:51 pm on 16 November 2021.

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Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 5:51, 16 November 2021

Thank you, Minister, for advance notice of your statement. As you know, the Welsh Conservatives don't believe that taking the commission forward should be a priority for the Welsh Government. We believe that you have got far bigger fish to fry, frankly, with getting our economy back on track, getting our health service back on track, and getting our education system back on track after the pandemic. But, you haven't listened to that advice. You have gone ahead and established your commission anyway, which I think is disappointing. Nevertheless, we have always said that we would participate in this, and that it's important to have a centre-right voice around the table. That is why we have nominated Lauren McEvatt, who I'm sure will make a very positive contribution to those discussions.

I have to say that, having listened to the words that you have spoken in the past and compared them with what you have delivered today in terms of the composition of the commission, I'm a little bit disappointed. You said back in July that the members of this commission must represent all ages and be drawn from the widest possible range of sectors in civic society—public, private, third sector, civic sector and grassroots organisations and social partners. I don't see much of the private sector on this list. I don't see much of the third sector on this list. I don't see any grass-roots organisations on this list either. I think, therefore, that it is not going to be wholly representative in terms of the work that it takes forward.

We have also, of course, questioned the wisdom of one of the co-chairs being appointed, with that particular individual being a former Plaid Cymru parliamentary candidate. But, again, this is something that you have decided to appoint. You have made these decisions without any consultation with my party or other political parties in this Chamber, other than inviting a single nomination around the table. So, I don't think, actually, that the make-up of this particular commission is sufficiently broad, as you had originally intended it to be.

I also asked you some questions when you made a statement last month about the commission. I asked how much this commission was going to cost. You didn't answer that question. You said that you'd come back and answer it. You have had the opportunity to put some more flesh on the bones today, in terms of the potential cost of this commission. We have got the Welsh Government's budget coming up in just a few weeks' time. So, I would have thought that you would have done some homework, got the calculator out, and actually determined how much this thing is going to cost over the next two years, because that, of course, is the time window that you have given it. So, can you tell us today: what are the allowances that are going to be paid to the co-chairs? What are the allowances that are going to be paid to the members of the commission? Are they being paid a set amount, or is it on a per-meeting basis? How is this thing going to actually work? I think that people are interested. The public is interested in that.

I think, also, that we are very interested in who the expert panel of advisers are going to be. You have said that you are going to outline the names of the expert panel in due course, and I'm pleased to hear that. But, can I suggest that, given the lack of breadth and diversity of the commission itself, perhaps you can build that into the expert panel, going forward, so that we can make sure that there is the diversity that everyone wants to see contributing to this process?

Finally, I just want to make this point, if I may. You and I obviously recognise that constitutional matters, as far as the future of the UK is concerned, are matters for the whole of the United Kingdom, not just one constituent part, which Wales is. Therefore, having this conversation in isolation, without having wider discussions on a UK basis is, potentially, going to be pretty futile. Therefore, can I ask: what discussion has the Welsh Government had with the UK Government, with the Scottish Government, with the Northern Ireland Executive about the way that this commission will undertake its work and how it can contribute to a wider piece of work, which, obviously, will need to be done on a UK-wide basis if there’s going to be any hope of this being a meaningful exercise? Thank you.