Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:04 pm on 8 June 2022.
Of course, I think we should all remind ourselves it was a referendum that established this place. You can't govern without referendums when you have significant constitutional change. We had referendums on further powers. I campaigned for further powers for this Senedd back in 2011. When you have change, you have to have referendums to give the public their say.