Many of you know that I've worked in child protection for around 25 years, and I did work during the COVID period. And I would like to be clear that, in terms of my reading of the report on Logan Mwangi, I cannot see any reason that the COVID restrictions at the time would not have had—in terms of potentially saving his life. I think it's really important I put that on record, because it is easy to hold that responsible. But, in my experience, it was far, far more than the COVID period.

I do welcome and thank the Conservatives for this debate, and I know that we have the same views across three political parties here in the Siambr. I do also welcome the Minister's commitment to childcare and child protection, and that there have been many innovations from the Welsh Government. But this is about getting the basics right, and the basics for me are making sure that our children across Wales have the best chance to be safe and protected. I want to make it clear: we can never, ever eliminate children being hurt or dying, sadly, but we can make them safer, and that's what this review is calling for. There is a real, clear issue here in terms of language. For me, it's not an investigation; it's a review. It's a review where we can learn, where we can understand the issues. 

Let me tell you, I've been involved in these over the time I've been a social worker, a service manager and a senior leader in child protection. Nobody likes them. Nobody wants them. But we do them because we think it's best for our children, and we do them in order to learn. They can be very positive. As you've heard, they can be opportunities for us to share good practice, and, for the children of Wales, surely that's what we want.

As Senedd Members in this Siambr, I'll tell you, I have no idea how our children's services across Wales are performing in child protection. I'll give you some concrete examples. Care Inspectorate Wales, who are responsible for inspecting services, recent reports from Wrexham and Denbighshire, actually, are very, very hard to interpret how they're performing in child protection. But if you look at Ofsted in England, the latest one from Kent says straight away how they are performing in child protection. Now, I think we should have that here as members of our communities, but also as Senedd Members. We should know how our children are being protected across Wales.

My final point is that this is a proposal for a review. This is about listening to people, listening to those working at the front line across all of the services. I do take Huw Irranca-Davies's point there: it is about working and listening to all of those professionals, because there were issues in Logan's situation. My question to you, Deputy Minister, is: if now isn't the time for a national review, following the really tragic death of Logan Mwangi, with growing numbers of children in care, with the care system at breaking point, huge vacancies in parts of our country, when is the time? Thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn.